[Livia]

I'm genuinely surprised, joeysteele, that you would stand up for censorship of any kind.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[Underscore]

So what? Companies are free to sell what they want, it's a hallmark of free enterprise.

Personally I would not have newspapers sold at all because of the environment and my views on it.

[Underscore]

If Virgin Trains were to start selling, I don't know, dildos on a train then it's none of my business.

[Alf]

I'm currently having an Eartha Kitt on a Virgin train. There's no toilet paper. A copy of The Guardian is the only available option.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm genuinely surprised, joeysteele, that you would stand up for censorship of any kind.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

You are right,I am usually against censorship Livia, so I can see where you are coming from.

Sadly I just believe the UK is definitely now badly served by its newspaper media across the board.
I'd never waste a pence buying one now myself.

So while against censorship usually, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't cheer this move.
I'd never have the Sun or Daily Mail anywhere if I had authority to remove them.
Then again,I'd likely replace all so called newspapers with children's comics anywhere.
A much better read in my view.

You are correct however, I have stood against censorship just about all the time we've conversed on here.
It does represent another change in me I guess.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right,I am usually against censorship Livia, so I can see where you are coming from.

Sadly I just believe the UK is definitely now badly served by its newspaper media across the board.
I'd never waste a pence buying one now myself.

So while against censorship usually, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't cheer this move.
I'd never have the Sun or Daily Mail anywhere if I had authority to remove them.
Then again,I'd likely replace all so called newspapers with children's comics anywhere.
A much better read in my view.

You are correct however, I have stood against censorship just about all the time we've conversed on here.
It does represent another change in me I guess.

You certainly seem to fear the Daily Mail as you go way over-the-top in your hysterical reaction to a newspaper. This is Britain we don’t censor adults reading whatever paper they wish and to even suggest this speaks volumes in my opinion.

I can’t bear the Guardian and it’s left-wing drivel but you would make a huge fuss if someone tried to ban that no doubt. This is a free country and you cannot control free thought how ever much you would like to.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm currently having an Eartha Kitt on a Virgin train. There's no toilet paper. A copy of The Guardian is the only available option.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Probably just billionaire Richard Branston still narked over Brexit, so he's throwing his toys out the pram.

That’s what I thought. Branson has gone way down in my estimation due to his tantrums since Brexit. What a joke. I won’t be using his bloody trains or planes - arrogant man.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's not the point, Alfie. This is a rail company deciding which newspaper is and isn't appropriate for their passengers. Their adult, paying passengers.

I think you're reaching a bit by calling it censorship and such. Censorship would be if they banned the Daily Mail on their trains, they haven't, they simply don't sell it any more.

The newspaper wasn't selling, you don't stock the shelves of a shop with products that don't sell, you stop ordering it and get something else in instead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully all of Tibb supported the Irish bakery when they did a similar thing

Right?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You certainly seem to fear the Daily Mail as you go way over-the-top in your hysterical reaction to a newspaper. This is Britain we don’t censor adults reading whatever paper they wish and to even suggest this speaks volumes in my opinion.

I can’t bear the Guardian and it’s left-wing drivel but you would make a huge fuss if someone tried to ban that no doubt. This is a free country and you cannot control free thought how ever much you would like to.

Oh don't be so ridiculous.
What would I fear the Daily Mail for.

I have no wish to control free thought at all,if anyone is going over the top,it is you again as usual.

I never read any newspapers, I see no need for them as really a growing number of younger people particularly don't either.
I used to odd times buy and read the Independent,since that went online only,it's gone even more bonkers too in my view.

For goodness sake moan at someone else, I made my comment,I responded to Livia.
I have no wish to extensively engage in your distortion of my words, or frankly as to whatever you may irrationally infer as to what you may invent, as to my overall thinking.

It amazes me why you ever respond to me,I just about never do to you,as very little interests me to even do so in the first place anyway.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thankfully all of Tibb supported the Irish bakery when they did a similar thing

Right?

A business refusing to follow through on an order because of homophobia is not the same as a business deciding not to sell something because it wasn't selling.

Try harder with your bait.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A business refusing to follow through on an order because of homophobia is not the same as a business deciding not to sell something because it wasn't selling.

Try harder with your bait.

Incorrect Desmond they stopped it because of pressure from staff about LBGT matters if you read about the incident, and Brexit

[Crimson Dynamo]

And practicing Christian Bible beliefs is not homophobia

Its God's will

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

I despise the Daily Mail, but this is nothing but censorship.

If you don't like someone's opinion, shut them down. People can't be allowed to have an opinion that is different from the expectation of the Guardian readers who obviously made this decision.

I agree with this, everyone should be able to express their opinions regardless of whether we agree or not.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Incorrect Desmond they stopped it because of pressure from staff about LBGT matters if you read about the incident, and Brexit

'it only sold one copy for every four trains.'

That statement holds more weight tbh, if a product does not sell (especially one with such a short shelf life like a newspaper) then you don't continue to sell it. It wouldn't surprise me if other newspapers have been discontinued on their trains over the years for similar reasons.

Business is business and shelf space is limited. You don't keep buying stock that doesn't sell. That's just common sense.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree with this, everyone should be able to express their opinions regardless of whether we agree or not.

Except it isn't censorship and it's both silly and incorrect to make out that it is.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And practicing Christian Bible beliefs is not homophobia

Its God's will

The courts disagree.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You certainly seem to fear the Daily Mail

How can you fear that what does not exist (on virgin trains)

[user104658]

I only really have three things to say on this one, I guess...

1) I do generally disagree with censorship so if they are selling and that's just an excuse, or if they were banning them totally but not other papers, I wouldn't agree with it.

2) I do however despise the mail, and the sun, and yes also the Guardian since it went full tabloid and I personally believe that the press should be more accountable to some sort of independent body for the accuracy and content of what is allowed to be published as "news". I'm not saying that trashy magazines shouldn't exist but they should only be allowed to publish as what they are - I don't like that increasingly divisive and negative opinion pieces are constantly published as objective fact and news. It's a mess and clearly damaging to both individual intellectual integrity, and to society as a whole.

3) All that said, the most important one: Virgin is a private enterprise and they can choose to stock, or not stock, anything they want. That's really the bottom line here. If the railways were still publicly owned then there would be an expectation of, and moral responsibility to provide, balance... But it isn't, and Daily Mail readers, who I would imagine tend to be Tory voters, can't really complain too much about that as it was their chosen representatives who sold it off in the first place...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh don't be so ridiculous.
What would I fear the Daily Mail for.

I have no wish to control free thought at all,if anyone is going over the top,it is you again as usual.

I never read any newspapers, I see no need for them as really a growing number of younger people particularly don't either.
I used to odd times buy and read the Independent,since that went online only,it's gone even more bonkers too in my view.

For goodness sake moan at someone else, I made my comment,I responded to Livia.
I have no wish to extensively engage in your distortion of my words, or frankly as to whatever you may irrationally infer as to what you may invent, as to my overall thinking.

It amazes me why you ever respond to me,I just about never do to you,as very little interests me to even do so in the first place anyway.

You want to shut it down - smacks of fear to me. It’s a successful newspaper and no doubt you think if people couldn’t read it they might move more to the left. Wishful thinking.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You want to shut it down - smacks of fear to me. It’s a successful newspaper and no doubt you think if people couldn’t read it they might move more to the left. Wishful thinking.

Tabloid trash like the Mail, The Sun AND yes, The Guardian and drivel like Huffington Post too all contribute to the progressive dumbing-down of society, create damaging stereotypes, and set people at each other's throats to stop anything meaningful from being achieved.

You mock Joey for being "scared" of this but really, being afraid of that seems quite sensible.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tabloid trash like the Mail, The Sun AND yes, The Guardian and drivel like Huffington Post too all contribute to the progressive dumbing-down of society, create damaging stereotypes, and set people at each other's throats to stop anything meaningful from being achieved.

You mock Joey for being "scared" of this but really, being afraid of that seems quite sensible.

That may be but Joey seemingly only wants to allow one side to be presented, one set of opinions to be heard which is not what the West is about. Strange point of view for a lawyer.

Why not start with stopping the sale of a certain so-called ‘right-wing’ paper on trains then slowly chip away at anything not approved of by the lefties until one point of view is the only point of view. A lefties dream.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I only really have three things to say on this one, I guess...

1) I do generally disagree with censorship so if they are selling and that's just an excuse, or if they were banning them totally but not other papers, I wouldn't agree with it.

2) I do however despise the mail, and the sun, and yes also the Guardian since it went full tabloid and I personally believe that the press should be more accountable to some sort of independent body for the accuracy and content of what is allowed to be published as "news". I'm not saying that trashy magazines shouldn't exist but they should only be allowed to publish as what they are - I don't like that increasingly divisive and negative opinion pieces are constantly published as objective fact and news. It's a mess and clearly damaging to both individual intellectual integrity, and to society as a whole.

3) All that said, the most important one: Virgin is a private enterprise and they can choose to stock, or not stock, anything they want. That's really the bottom line here. If the railways were still publicly owned then there would be an expectation of, and moral responsibility to provide, balance... But it isn't, and Daily Mail readers, who I would imagine tend to be Tory voters, can't really complain too much about that as it was their chosen representatives who sold it off in the first place...

Really strong points and post TS as near always.

Even moreso as to your 3rd point.

[smudgie]

Don't all the main stations have news vendors.
If you really want one you will buy before getting on the train.