[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thanks, pretty much immune to these gaslighting techniques now though,for clarification if anything the use of the now controversial 'yey' was in the vain hope that it had opened the eyes of some to the dodgy dealings of recent govts decisions, that have jeopardised so many jobs and cost the country so much which is why it was accompanied with this face :/
How on earth could anyone misinterpret that?

Oh give over trying to justify your slip up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But isn't this post just feigning sympathy for the people who lost their jobs in order to push your own agenda of 'I hate Kizzy?'

If you are going to criticise someone for saying 'yay' without paying attention to it's context then what does that mean for you considering you are using this apparent job losses as an excuse to try and get one over on Kizzy? You are doing what you claim Kizzy is doing except your agenda is not politcal but personal and your comments aren't being taken out of context either.

That's the way you interpreted my post and you have taken it out of context . The fact is I AM concerned about the people who'll lose their jobs, the businesses that will go under because they haven't been paid, all the people who are stressing right now about their futures while the bosses of this company are still being paid their inflated salaries and bonuses. That's my context. The fact that I don't like Kizzy is neither here nor there. Had anyone posted a "Yay" post I'd have said exactly the same thing. And I stand by that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh give over trying to justify your slip up.

Give over baiting and stick to the topic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's the way you interpreted my post and you have taken it out of context . The fact is I AM concerned about the people who'll lose their jobs, the businesses that will go under because they haven't been paid, all the people who are stressing right now about their futures while the bosses of this company are still being paid their inflated salaries and bonuses. That's my context. The fact that I don't like Kizzy is neither here nor there. Had anyone posted a "Yay" post I'd have said exactly the same thing. And I stand by that.

How rude, you don't know me Livia.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How rude, you don't know me Livia.

You don't know, or like me either. It is what it is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't know, or like me either. It is what it is.

I don't agree with your views on many things I don't however allow that to colour my thinking and reaction to every single topic!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't agree with your views on many things I don't however allow that to colour my thinking and reaction to every single topic!

Right.

Like I said, I'll only respond in future if you quote me. I just want to have a laugh on here, not a battle.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it has homes will be at risk, most of us are only 3 wage slips from oblivion as it is... This is a national scandal and as per the attempt is to sweep it under the carpet, avoid accountability and as seen on PMQs attempt to blame Leeds city council! As chunkymark would say, YOU WHAT!!??

Deflection is an art for politicians.
However Leeds council DIDN'T sign any contract with them as Corbyn stated when Mrs May tried to deflect from truth to cover her own govts. ineptitude.

Well done to you for how you deal with such deflections too Kizzy.
I think it very revealing when attacks on a person are made rather than who or what are really to blame.
Good for you and all well said by you too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right.

Like I said, I'll only respond in future if you quote me. I just want to have a laugh on here, not a battle.

Great, that's not the impression I get from this thread but if that's how you see it that's totally fine by me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have spoken to many, many Carillion workers over the last few days who are desperately looking for new roles. On my LinkedIn network, there are offers of help to them from companies, agencies alike and that is heartening to see, the desperation from some of the people I have spoken to is heartbreaking, it is still early days for them but panic has set in.

Whatever way this is spun, once again the losers are the workers who have put an honest days work in for an honest days pay, I don't really care what the government / investors / etc etc has or hasn't done, my immediate concern is with the 1000s of families now and hope there is some way in which they don't get added to the bottom of the list when sorting the cluster **** out

I think we have to consider both sides to this coin.

Yes, its terrible for the workers, though the contracts will be put out to tender and the likelihood of continuing within another company on a familiar project is quite high.
Different for the pensioners. All this limited liability has made sure they are going to suffer the consequences.

The other side of the coin is the corruption and that is something we should all be taking seriously because its not just Carillion that are setting up vast business empires on limited liability. The more our government encourages unfettered markets, the more we move away from being a democratic country. Democracy requires rules and guidelines that restrict the power of money. If they don't do that, then its open to corruption and with corruption comes stagnation and economy crashes. Carillion just fell out of the void thats been created by neoliberalism, a government who has massive monopolies working for the few, not the many. Its important, crucial in fact that we understand why this happened and so although we could spend our time talking about all the poor sods caught up in the fallout, its not the only thing we should be discussing.

[DemolitionRed]

And Kizzy, thank you for bringing this topic up on here, though its sad it can't be discussed without you being 'once again' attacked. I'm so sick of seeing people on here baying for your blood when all you are attempting to do is put your views forward and you do that with intelligence btw. I, like Joey, have your back (though I know your a toughie and don't need us!) You are a lot more restrained than I am but that's why I sometimes have to take a break from this place... it gets depressing.