[Withano]

Do they have that right in today's society?

[Paula D]

That's a very open ended question. What do you mean by it?

Are people allowed to have thoughts? Yes.

Are they allowed to say words? Yes.

Are they allowed to take negative actions against others? No.

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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

That's a very open ended question. What do you mean by it?

Are people allowed to have thoughts? Yes.

Are they allowed to say words? Yes.

Are they allowed to take negative actions against others? No.

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Interesting. So theyre entitled to hate entire goups as long as they dont act physically, but they can be disrespetful verbally?

I disagree entirely, but this was the type of answer I was looking for.

Are you (for example) fine with people calling a black person an n-word, or just fine with them expressing that they dislike black people?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do they have that right in today's society?

..no of course not...but then, it’s not that black and white though is it...because it’s the interpretation of ‘isms’ that’s the thing as well...I might say PHOBIC WITHANO...and you might say, no that wasn’t what was meant etc...and etc...

[Oliver_W]

People can think and say what they think, as long as they're happy to face the consequences. This doesn't include getting physical though

[Matthew.]

no. if they express the view then it is unacceptable but unfortunately there will always be people that are homophobic/racist/sexist etc.

[Ammi]

..’hate’ isn’t always involved though when an ‘ism’ is being accused of...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People can think and say what they think, as long as they're happy to face the consequences. This doesn't include getting physical though

Is there a line with what people can say, or can they say whatever they like

[lewis111]

Everyone has different opinions on what is classed as those thing so it's hard
Like IMO being against same sex marriage means you do not believe gays deserve equality in society therefore you are homophobic - but may see this is an acceptable view

I feel like racism usually has the most clear boundaries as people can't use religious beliefs or "back in my day" to defend their disgusting opinions as often (But I think that's more in the UK whereas in the US it seems more I clear)

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

Interesting. So theyre entitled to hate entire goups as long as they dont act physically, but they can be disrespetful verbally?

I disagree entirely, but this was the type of answer I was looking for.

Are you (for example) fine with people calling a black person an n-word, or just fine with them expressing that they dislike black people?

So you're not really asking a question, you're making a statement.

That's what I thought.

Look, I don't hate or dislike any group of people but reality is we can NOT force everyone in the world to think the same.

We can force them not to take action because of their bias and that's all we can do.

I just don't get why people think calling someone scum, rat, snake and various other names is ever going to change that person's mind.

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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People can think and say what they think, as long as they're happy to face the consequences. This doesn't include getting physical though

This^ why should people be told by others what they can think,say and do,as long as they don't hurt anyone I see no problem,

[lewis111]

But to answer the question I suppose yes they are entitled to it because we can't sensor opinions but they should always be called out on them and challanged so those opinions eventually disappear

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

So you're not really asking a question, you're making a statement.

That's what I thought.

Look, I don't hate or dislike any group of people but reality is we can NOT force everyone in the world to think the same.

We can force them not to take action because of their bias and that's all we can do.

I just don't get why people think calling someone scum, rat, snake and various other names is ever going to change that person's mind.

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I'm not saying you dislike any group of people, I'm interested in your interpretation of the question, as I am Oliver's who answered similarly to you.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..’hate’ isn’t always involved though when an ‘ism’ is being accused of...

True, the question has far too many layers to give a bland yes or no answer

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This^ why should people be told by others what they can think,say and do,as long as they don't hurt anyone I see no problem,

By hurt, do you only mean physically hurt? Is a person entitled to emotionally hurt a group they dislike?

[Crimson Dynamo]

That would depend on who is judging them and interpreting the law.

like you have judged them in your poll

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

True, the question has far too many layers to give a bland yes or no answer

Well discuss the layers then? You dont have to just use the poll and leave lol

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not saying you dislike any group of people, I'm interested in your interpretation of the question, as I am Oliver's who answered similarly to you.

Fair enough, well my interpretation is that the question is too open to have a definite answer.

If the question was are people allowed have their own opinions as long as they don't negatively take action against others then my answer is yes absolutely because otherwise we're into scary territory of removing thoughts from people's heads.



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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Fair enough, well my interpretation is that the question is too open to have a definite answer.

If the question was are people allowed have their own opinions as long as they don't negatively take action against others then my answer is yes absolutely because otherwise we're into scary territory of removing thoughts from people's heads.



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Thats interesting. So they're entitled to it, as long as its more of a secret?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

By hurt, do you only mean physically hurt? Is a person entitled to emotionally hurt a group they dislike?

Of course not,but you can't make or bully people into liking someone they don't, you cannot control what goes on in peoples heads.but most people know what is acceptable and what's not and don't force their opinions on others.

[Jamie89]

I'd say they have the right but it isn't right, if that makes sense. I see those as being separate things, like I consider those views to be wrong but I think people should be 'entitled' to hold whatever views they have. With that though they should also be allowed to face criticism of their views, and the problem I feel with all of this is that as soon as someone does criticise they are then often criticised for having a criticism and it just becomes an argument about free speech which I feel is often misunderstood.

I'd say where the line gets drawn for me is if someone is inciting violence or hatred, I don't think anyone should be 'entitled' to that because it's imposing onto other people and negatively affecting them and their lives in an extreme way, it's no longer about someone having their personal freedom of speech or thought or even being about the views they hold, but actually placing consequences onto other people without their consent and they don't have the right to do that.

[Paula D]

Maybe a better way of explaining it is to take the gay marriage referendum in Ireland as an example.

My father doesn't agree with gay marriage and we had perfectly civil discussions about it and all I asked him to do was not vote at all because it has no effect in his life really and he agreed.

I didn't ask him to change his view and neither do I have the right to.

Hope that explains it better.

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[Jamie89]

Basically people are entitled to be wrong

[Jessica.]

Obviously no.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do they have that right in today's society?

Everyone has a right to an opinion. How they express that opinion is key, but as already stated, interpretation plays a big part too. Should we all we held to ransom by the sensibilities of some and the downright control by others?