[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have no idea what you're going on about anymore. Are you tired?

Not at all. If you can't answer the question that's fine, don't worry son.

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[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It can be.

I have quite close friends who (for example) agree with the horrendous ATOS medicals and regularly go on about how many people claiming disability benefits are fakers and such. They moan on about working disabled people being able to claim PIP. Many many awful opinions on the topic. I am disabled and rely on those payments, both when I was able to work and now, when I am not. Occasionally it causes a bit of an argument, if they bring up that **** in my presence. But I still do get on with them, those opinions aside.

My cousin is gay and he is friends with a fair few people who disagree with same sex marriage, and same sex adoption also. Again, this causes arguments at times but he does not stop speaking with them over it.

I guess it just comes down to what kind of person you are and if you can overlook unsavoury views tbh. I wouldn't say my cousin was ignorant. You clearly would. I would say he is just..able to see past peoples views and still get on with them

I agree completely, Vicky. It's near impossible to run into people who aren't hardcoded in some way to be mismatched with social "norms".

The most common example obviously is the people who voted for Donald Trump. I have a friend who said outright they were unwilling to allow our other mutual friend into their home (this friend wasn't told this) over their vote. And yet they still communicate with them in our group chat on a daily basis... (I did have to tell the friend as he was going through major cognitive therapy and didn't need to learn this while he was recovering). We still support that other friend and we acknowledge that some people are not going to just "get it" because we want them to... they are entitled to their response to the election(s) and it's understandable from what we knew from their background why they would feel so strongly against this. (long story short, she is a therapist in an all-women's private mental health facility)

I've had family and doctors who have refused to acknowledge my health problems over the past couple of decades, so I know where you are coming from there. The way I see it, if a friend was willing to listen to my complaints and not knock me down everytime I was trying to get up, then they were being supportive. True maturity and strength comes from being able to stand up for yourself, being your own advocate and not relying on other people's perceptions of you for your sense of sense and your true identity. It's also part of what makes you a good friend, to see people for who they are, versus how you want them to be seen as...

We will run into thousands of people who will give you a hard time about something, will dismiss your hardships, your trials ,your strengths, etc... much of this is just life. We like to think we have the simple answers to complex questions. For example, I had a PCP that swore up and down my health problems were due to childhood trauma, even despite my not really having "trauma" per say (as much as just hardship), but they pretty much insisted it. I'm in recovery now not thanks to his advice, but I understood what he was trying to say... he thought I could "break out" of what I was going through and just simply feel better, as nonsensical as it he was trying to help me, albiet only in his own way.

If I flipped out at every doctor's meeting or every time a friend said something I though was asinine, I wouldn't have had support. Also we don't really grow as people if we surround ourselves only with people who largely agree with us. It is important to be open-minded to other people's perspectives and realize that living your life is more complicated than we give it credit for... especially when you hear people's backstories and realize why they feel the way they do... it's not as simple as they are XYZ label, that's that. That's just what some people say in order to make themselves feel better about the realities of life... that while we are cut from the same cloth (i.e. we are all human beings), we are each different individuals in our own right.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's awful, one of my friends comes from quite a strict muslim family and he's actually considered allowing his parents to find him a wife just to not have to come out to them (even though he currently lives with his boyfriend ) And another friend of mine's parents kicked him out onto the streets when he came out at 16. I know those are quite extreme cases but yeah it happens, not everyone accepts it. Your example of footballers speaks volumes about society sometimes not being as accepting as people like to think.

It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Not at all. If you can't answer the question that's fine, don't worry son.

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I dont live in a hate-filled world, i find that question completely bizarre coming from you. You come across as quite arguably, the angriest members on tibb atm, sure its only when lgbt is mentioned, but irony of implying i live in a hate-filled world when your response to equality can be summarised by the word 'negative' is just ridic. So ridic that I refuse to take you seriously. Maybe you can rephrase the question so that it seems thought-out on some level?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No digs at anyone at all.
In fact my examples are in relation to no one at all on here.

You stated to me was I expecting you to believe this could be the case.
I responded to you.

Then gave my examples of people I know and at least one other shared their experience with me.
This thread is talking about coming out as to sexuality and getting support from family.

Are you now for balance actually going to pull everyone up on here, who also have not just talked about Andrew and his sister,or 'ONLY' me Cherie.

for balance I never quoted you at all, you quoted me and I responded so I don't feel I have to pull anyone else on this thread

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

Of course the sister would agree but Andrew is a twat

Why do people keep trying to paint Andrew as some heroic LGBT supporter ,it's so cringe and boring . Obviously if his sister is gay (which I didn't know) then of course he's going to be ok with it . And his sister is going to be on his side and biased .

Ariane Grande has a gay brother too ,who cares . Andrew is still a twat exactly !! . And he was evicted for a good reason .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

That’s true.It gets boring.I really don’t care if somebody is L,G,B or T.Just get on with it and stop telling me about it.It does turn people off.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

Exactly right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

for balance I never quoted you at all, you quoted me and I responded so I don't feel I have to pull anyone else on this thread

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

[Beso]

So andrews sister has had andrews support for being a lesbian...but only came out today....lol..whateva...

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

Nothing was blown out of the water, you have given no statistics for the number of millenial siblings who allegedly disown each other for being gay, instead you gave a few personal anecdotes which I could counter with a few anecdotes of my own, then you mentioned Asian families and footballers when we weren't discussing coming out in public, we were discussing siblings supporting each other, Andrew is a white English male in his 20s, I would say the majority of white English males in their 20s would be supportive of a gay sibling and you can deny that all you want, but until you pull some figures to back up your argument I don't believe you, if you weren't having a sly dig in you posts to others then I apologise but that is how it came across to me. I have no agenda in fact I tend to avoid quoting you now where possible as you seem to think I have an issue with you which I don't

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

Kids get bullied for wearing glasses and not the right trainers, gays are not exclusive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nothing was blown out of the water, you have given no statistics for the number of millenial siblings who allegedly disown each other for being gay, instead you gave a few personal anecdotes which I could counter with a few anecdotes of my own, then you mentioned Asian families and footballers when we weren't discussing coming out in public, we were discussing siblings supporting each other, Andrew is a white English male in his 20s, I would say the majority of white English males in their 20s would be supportive of a gay sibling and you can deny that all you want, but until you pull some figures to back up your argument I don't believe you, if you weren't having a sly dig in you posts to others then I apologise but that is how it came across to me. I have no agenda in fact I tend to avoid quoting you now where possible as you seem to think I have an issue with you which I don't

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

exactly my thoughts and i am sure of others...

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No point in talking to someone who doesn't believe you.
Do you believe the other examples given.
Or just not mine.

Best you do avoid my posts then, I state what's know and have seen.
I know I TELL the truth.
This conversation is terminated by me,pointless when I'm not believed.
You dare term me aggressive,get at others are do you think they don't tell lies.
Impudence.

That's a good word Impudence, I like that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

exactly my thoughts and i am sure of others...

Me too ,God knows whats happened to him (In with the wrong crowd maybe ) Such a shame

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

your really coming across quite aggressive these days joey, its forcing people to respond in kind

This.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well that says everything Cherie.

When I quoted you, you came back at me and said was I really expecting you and like others to believe now,younger people had problems coming out from other people.
I then gave clear examples,as other/s did too.

Then you dare accuse me of being aggressive.
Selective getting at me from you Cherie,you pulled no one else up,giving their example.

Getting at me possibly suited some possible agenda you have at present.
Anyway,your response of questioning and deriding me as to saying,young people do feel and get rejected in this day and age,just for their sexual preferences.
That got blown out the water as to your stance with other examples given,as well as my own.

As I said selective pulling me up but not others.

The sooner CBB gets back to being an entertainment show rather than a gay angst LGTB platform the better.

If I want to know about it, then there are far better informative places to garner information.

Never mind Ann sucking the fun out of CBB Andrew and Shane have dragged it down far more than she ever has.

My tolerance and sympathy levels are far lower now than when this started and I had a very liberal viewpoint then but what a load of navel gazing namby pambyisms have been going on.

Just think yourselves lucky that we live in a free society when you could live in Russia or a part of the world where you would really have insurmountable problems being gay. But you don't, there hasn't been anything that cannot be overcome, so you have had hardships, so has the rest of society one way or another, get over it. The world doesn't revolve on just sexuality and associated relationship problems although some on here would try to tell you differently.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

The sooner CBB gets back to being an entertainment show rather than a gay angst LGTB platform the better.

If I want to know about it, then there are far better informative places to garner information.

Never mind Ann sucking the fun out of CBB Andrew and Shane have dragged it down far more than she ever has.

My tolerance and sympathy levels are far lower now than when this started and I had a very liberal viewpoint then but what a load of navel gazing namby pambyisms have been going on.

Just think yourselves lucky that we live in a free society when you could live in Russia or a part of the world where you would really have insurmountable problems being gay. But you don't, there hasn't been anything that cannot be overcome, so you have had hardships, so has the rest of society one way or another, get over it. The world doesn't revolve on just sexuality and associated relationship problems although some on here would tell you differently.

Post of the thread award !!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

That's a good word Impudence, I like that.

Its a word my grandmother used to use...not heard it in a long time..it made me laugh