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Greg! · 03-02-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

And then they get all hissy and talk about "equality", like it's something men haven't experienced! It's hilarious!

You can have an opinion. But you can't tell women what our opinion ought to be.

As a gay male I have indeed experienced inequality. But then it's not a competition, is it?

Where on earth have I "told women what their opinion ought to be."

Jack_ · 03-02-2018, 01:47 PM

You know what I'm looking forward to? Pointing out to the 'mansplaining' complainers today (who, to be fair, do have a point to a certain extent - I'm aware of the irony here btw!) every instance in future in which they pass judgement and comment on an instance of social exclusion or discrimination that they would have no experience of. Because it'll definitely happen.

Livia · 03-02-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

I get the feeling if a woman had won and spent all series telling the men to shut up and listen rather than speak you'd be reeling and whining that feminism isn't misandry, so I'm not entirely sure what it is exactly you want.

Shaun, I don't reel and whine. No need for that.

I am a feminist and I have a little fight against inequality and discrimination most day of my life. I don't need someone with a penis to tell me what that means.

The whole of CBB was really good, they came to some kind of respectful peace between then, while still knowing that they aren't on the same page. I loved Courtney, even though I didn't always agree, I loved Ann, even though I didn't always agree.

But the crap I've seen on this forum beggars belief, and I am tired of men on here mansplaining to females what feminism is and holding up a drag queen and telling us, look! A feminist!

lewis111 · 03-02-2018, 01:51 PM

So, Livia, do you believe that Courtney/Shane J isn't a feminist? (Just curious)

Livia · 03-02-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

As a gay male I have indeed experienced inequality. But then it's not a competition, is it?

Where on earth have I "told women what their opinion ought to be."

I'm Jewish, I've experienced all kinds of crap. But that's not what we're talking about here, is it. Like you say, it's not a competition.

Brillopad · 03-02-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

How dare "the males" have an opinion on feminism which is supposed to mean equality for all genders. A disgrace!

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

lewis111 · 03-02-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

Saying this is true, what about all the members claiming gays don't face inequality anymore in 2018? Isn't that just as bad or even worse

Withano · 03-02-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2014/...btq-community/

Came across this and have to agree with much of it. Gay Drag queens such as ShaneJ claim to believe in feminism and to deplore ‘ists’ but aren’t their words a complete contradiction to their actions. It seems to me that parodying women the way they do speaks volumes about how they really see women.

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

Greg! · 03-02-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

Ok but where has anyone said that

Withano · 03-02-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

As soon as feminism is mentioned, in come the males,

Rightly so too. You think men cant be feminists?

jaxie · 03-02-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Shaun, I don't reel and whine. No need for that.

I am a feminist and I have a little fight against inequality and discrimination most day of my life. I don't need someone with a penis to tell me what that means.

The whole of CBB was really good, they came to some kind of respectful peace between then, while still knowing that they aren't on the same page. I loved Courtney, even though I didn't always agree, I loved Ann, even though I didn't always agree.

But the crap I've seen on this forum beggars belief, and I am tired of men on here mansplaining to females what feminism is and holding up a drag queen and telling us, look! A feminist!

Livia · 03-02-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Rightly so too. You think men cant be feminists?

I think you can. But suddenly you have to have a penis to be an expert? I can be passionate about all kinds of rights without them applying to me. I'm not so keen to tell others how they should think and feel. And it's getting a little bit like that...

jaxie · 03-02-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

Who are you?

Livia · 03-02-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

Greg! · 03-02-2018, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

Who are you?

An icon!

Livia · 03-02-2018, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

Who are you?

He's a man, with all the rights and entitlements that brings.

Withano · 03-02-2018, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

Anyone is allowed to be a feminist... someone against their rights isnt though imo.

jaxie · 03-02-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

I'm going to get sore hands clapping you today Livia. You are on fire!

Greg! · 03-02-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

Withano · 03-02-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

thanks for pointing that out. Its absurd.

Brillopad · 03-02-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

When you so clearly misunderstand what feminism is are you surprised?

As a woman I misunderstand but as a man you understand - get it now.

Brillopad · 03-02-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm going to get sore hands clapping you today Livia. You are on fire!

Big claps from me too.

Tom4784 · 03-02-2018, 02:10 PM

I think it's silly to take the act of drag as some sort of attack against women, I think a lot of gay/bi men tend to empathise and fiercely support feminism because they understand what it's like to be discriminated against, it's not the same kind of discrimination but there's an overlap in understanding there. I think it's stupid to demonise allies or pretend that their opinion is somehow worth less, it goes against the whole idea of feminism to think so, in fact.

The article is quite dumb simply because the comparison of blackface and drag is just dumb in general and shows a lack of understanding of what Drag is.

I do find it hilarious though, Brillo, that you, in all your hatred towards PC culture, has linked and is arguing for an article written by hardcore PC person that is looking for reasons to be offended. The irony is beautiful.

DemolitionRed · 03-02-2018, 02:13 PM

I'm a feminist because I believe in gender equality. My husband is a feminist because he believes in gender equality. That means we both recognize male inequality as well as female inequality. It has to work both ways.