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[rquote=2601261&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2601243&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2601228&tid=147499&author=setanta]Yes, and alcohol is the most common substance found in violent crimes. Aren't you reading it?[/rquote]

Of course I am but like I have already said it and should be utterly obvious, Alcohol would easily be the leader due to it being "LEGAL" (operative word here - important) and Cannabis not being so.

I have also offered you numerous articles and asked you to search the net to find more. You are continuing to ignore this as well.

What do you expect from a pro-cannabis site? Nothing more than Alcohol is bad, reasons why Cannabis isn't so legalise it?

How pathetic. Such a circular argument it's laughable.[/rquote]

No it's not laughable actually. What's laughable is your attempt to vilify cannabis when it's been around for thousands of years and has been used by many civilisations throughout time. You're on a witch-hunt here when all evidence points to the fact that other drugs are inherently more dangerous and yet you continue to validate your argument by saying that obviously alcohol is involved with more violent crimes because it's taken more regularly as it's LEGAL. There's no logic in that statement when you consider everything else you've suggested in this thread.

Actually that line about alcohol is very interesting when you consider the damage Prohibition caused in the United States all those years ago. By making something illegal you attract the wrong type of characters..... has nothing to do with the drug itself.... it's in the nature of certain people to go beyond the laws of a society and involve themselves in crime. I can't believe you're still arguing about Cannabis being at the heart of so much violence and crime when all stats point the other way and suggests that there's other drugs that are far more culpable.

I'm all for legalising it because as far as I'm concerned it will eliminate that shady element from the drug and it will give people more freedom of choice, rather than being at the mercy of what the government feels is right. They get it wrong sometimes mate. If someone wants to smoke it, and by doing so they don't encroach on my freedoms or liberty, and they've been made aware of the health issues involved -just like tobacco or alcohol- then by all means do what you want with your own recreational time. Cannabis is a naturally grown plant .... people have used it for centuries.[/rquote]

Do you know what I love most about your replies? The inherent prejudice that a drug is ok. This kind of prejudice has littered our society so much that there are so many users out there, arrogant enough, egotistical enough while living in a democratic country with freedom but also, free healthcare, human rights laws - to run around and do what they like, say what they like and the laws and the country will protect them.

And you know what else I love to go with what I just said, how you ignore something so I have to repeat it over and over again.

I also love how you think I don't know that pro-cannabis internet sites and pro-cannabis users have said it's been around for years and using historical arguments to try and prove something today.

OK, let's put in a pop question here. People have committed suicide from using Cannabis. Is that a good thing if we legalise it?

OK, here's another pop question. There has been a significant rise in Cannabis use leading to Schizophrenia. Notable in academic and professional publications. Is this a good thing?

Cannabis is used by terrorism, well documented to push arms. Is this a good thing?

Simple questions, that you have avoided above.

Now - just to eliminate your view that Cannabis has been used for years - it hasn't. Hemp and it's properties. The plant, has been used for years. Not cannabis. Cannabis is the drug. Cannabis has not been used for thousands of years. It's Hemp that has the medicinal qualities.

Cannabis is a drug. In fact it is a sedative. You know something else? The Hydroponics that are widely available on the streets these days? It has zero medicinal benefits. It's a sedative at best but has a higher chance to initiate psychoactive reactions towards mental illness in people. Notice the difference. Take into account the difference. Understand the difference between Cannabis and Hemp.

Hemp is one thing.
Cannabis is another thing.

Cannabis is made form Hemp but they have differing qualities. Differing properties. The Pro-Cannabis world fools, manipulates many people into believing that Hemp properties can be interchangeable into cannabis. They can't but you can fool people long enough. What do they say? If you say a lie long enough and loud enough - it become true?

Oh geez!!! Cannabis is not a naturally occurring plant. OK? It's a drug, made from hemp. Marijuana.

For example, a quote from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

This article is about industrial hemp. For its psychoactive variant, see Cannabis (drug).

It's not natural dude. This is more propoganda from the Pro-Cannabis groups to try and remove it from it's true status. Tell you what... a Carrot leaf is a plant? Let's see if I get a buzz from that... shall I? Or how about stalk off a potato plant... let me see if I will have to visit the local hospital for mental health problems after putting it in a rizla...? Yeah?

You really need to understand, civil liberties and social liberties and the policy there in. This includes the use of drugs. You talk about the governments getting it wrong. Let me illustrate an example I gave you in previous posts with more depth ok?

Imagine I am in Iraq and a bunch of start to get stoned (let's remove the fact that it's a war torn country, unemployment is rife, it's difficult to get by and drugs is the last time on our mind because we have a life). Now, let's say, as statistics go that 1 in 10 hard users have life long complications... so one in ten have really bad problems and then he has a life long complication with no health care, no doctor, no rehabilitation schedule at all - nothing. Unlike in this country where drug and reactions to it causes long term problems to the system but we can cope because we pay taxes and can deal with it because money is in the system FOR...

people who want to exercise their freedom to get sedated/stoned? See the picture here?



Also tell me why you are ignoring all the data on the internet that shows that there is a link between violent crime and Cannabis? You keep posting the propoganda like you are protesting but you are not really responding to everything I am saying. I was seriously not going to respond now because you don't even respond to what I say. I'm saying look at this and you're just giving statements from propoganda and biassed websites which are largely ran by drug dealers who have a fiscal interest and therefore are largely in the wrong.

Also the argument about Alcohol having more violent crime due to it being used more is legitimate. It's a straight forward issue - very easy to understand.

Oh man, the prohibition argument. Prohibition was introduced as an economic factor to encourage people to use and was brought back into the system against once large scale employment post the introduction of mass production was brought forward. You are also comparing alcohol and cannabis. It's like comparing a monkey with a fish. Two completely different drugs, two completely different effects on a person and two completely different reactions.

Let's lay down the law in reference to the two. Alcohol has a legitimate and known rehabilitation route. Cannabis, due to it's effect upon the morphic structure of the brain, does not. The fact it has a long running change in personality, behaviour, development highlights the problems here. The fact it can be produced cheaper, in bulk through hydroponics with very cheap equipment highlights how once you legalise you make things easier for the criminal (a point I have already made above and responded to previously a few times).

In ending, I have to laugh that you call this a witch hunt. It's an argument and a very strong one as well. Maybe you can go to the homes of the people who have had friends and family's lives ruined by cannabis and tell them it's ok.

Seriously man, if you think it's all A OK and that this is fine and dandy then cool but let's face facts, it's the general public, Free living individuals who pick up the mess...

...and the pro-cannabis stoners who are off their heads who write endless stuff against it.

Then there are people who believe it because they think the Government is against it.

If you don't like it - leave the country. It's an easy option - but why are you here? Oh, it's the liberties.

There you go.