[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by fizzy

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

It could be but then they are in serious trouble working as a 'non-profit org' and would be in serious trouble with a lot of tax people!

I have worked in non-profit orgs like this and helped put on concert/ministry type events.
This is the general rules how it works:

- The more people the more work is required. If there is 1,000 people arriving to it paying 30 a piece that is '1000 times the work, people, expenses'

Keep in mind these things often take months to plan and develop and organize.
In our case there may be five people who have put in 40 hours of work into the concert BEFORE it happens.
- We have already spent 3000 on everything from radio promotion, posters, writers and on and on. The building we are writing, planning, producing in costs money. the lights cost money. rent costs money.
This is BEFORE the concert event.

There are lots of things to be dumping money on even BEFORE anyone arrived. Venues, equipment, lighting, whatever,
and,
so there is the overall 'administration' costs but then the actual costs of actual event itself,
but,
wow you always get killed on all the incidentals including everything from last-minute hotel expenses, taxis, finding out there needs to be a 'first-aid' kit on premises (just crazy stupid things),
but,
keep in mind after all this is said and done there is no persons that 'take the profits'.
There is not such thing where we 'split the earnings'.
Of course not.
The money goes into the ministry where the elected board has voted on paying the bookkeeper x, paying the IT people x, paying the manager x,
then,
the Pastor is paid x-per month.
now what?
Well you see it will be another 3 months before we have another event. So staff is paid.
Some are paid monthly. From what?

ElProximo, you're a Dave fan (tho from the way you're defending him and explaining his gigs maybe I should i say disciple?) - there is nothing I can say that would change your mind.

No, I am an opponent of his cult group and think their Sloshfests not only do harm to those involved (including David),
but,
are shameful to Christianity and hurt the Church.

At the exact same time I am not a moron who thinks this means I should just accuse him of crimes for no reason.
In fact, falsely accusing him of crimes is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to opposing what is ACTUALLY WRONG.

In fact, this 'con-man' campaign is likely to backfire on you people AND actually 'help' David,
why?
how??
Because you made this 'money con' your cause. You picked the wrong fight.
After this David may very well show everyone that he and his family have SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY far more than he ever made from the Ministry,
and,
in fact he will show he probably gets paid something close to 'minimum wage' if you actually calculate the hours he works to his meager pay.
This will make him look great.
Make you look stupid.
It will seem that the detractors got 'pwned' and look silly and David and the Crowderites look like 'Winners'.

Meanwhile, nobody has spoken to the ACTUAL problem of their self-delusions, infatuation with being high and drunk, shaming the Church or falling into dangerous cult practices etc etc.

Your helping that happen by picking the wrong fight.