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Originally Posted by Cherie

If the aim is to win back the red wall, that won’t help

They are literally the gift that keeps on giving to the Tory’s currently

They're trying to cater to the hard left, the left of centre, and progressives all at the same time with apparently no insight into the fact that those groups do not overlap in the ways they thought and are perhaps also not as large as they imagined. I genuinely think that Labour has in part fallen for the "social media illusion" - which to be succinct, I would sum up as, the mistaken belief that the groups shouting the loudest are actually large in number. They often are not. They are just passionate and quick to cluster. This applies on both the left and right; the best interests of the centre (80% of people fall only slightly to the left or right) are being lost in a lot of very loud voices from the extremes of both sides. The problem Labour has there is that the voices from the left want more drastic changes, and when you're hearing bellowing from the extremes from both sides, the old "better the devil you know" comes into play. Tories, at least on the surface, offer something closer to "what people are used to". It's an illusion of course and what they actually offer is a descent into neoliberal capitalism and privitisation that benefits only the rich, but they don't openly admit that. Whereas at this point all the left seems to offer these days is banal identity politics and whiney hyperindividualism. The choices are truly grim.