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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever, and then women have been propagandised/radicalised (mainly by men) into believing their world is being taken away and they are being replaced by a new group of "chicks with dicks" to quote our Cambridge educated lawyer.

I would be radicalised too, if that's what I believed. Everyone always believes they can see through propaganda, which of course only ever happens to other people, but all of us are susceptible to it.

On the other side of that, we have trans people just going about their lives, until they became the topic on everyone else's tongue, not to include in discussion, but to be attacked, marginalised and placed in fear. As a marginalised minority, they also have every right and I'd go beyond that to say duty, to actually fight for their lives, because eradicating trans genderism is just starting to be brought up in the US, which means it will be here too, soon enough.

That's a real and fundamental difference; the very people you all opine on everyday, now face these real and targeted threats consistently. I mean, what the fcuk are people doing having rallies to attack people. I know the Nazi thing gets overdone, but Jesus

I've obviously had my issues with TS, but he's tied himself in knots here to try and be understanding, but has been met with nothing more than weirdness about either supporting women, or supporting lady boys. It's just not true.

There are no solutions, no attempt to be understanding, just vitriol and abuse thrown at a marginalised community. I have issues with trans people in sports, and I think maybe that's because I played a lot of sports growing up, but none of you (I'll exclude ts here) are in any way interested in finding a way forward. I think the first time I ever posted on trans issues, I asked what solutions you had, and to this day, tibb is still way more interested in finding attack pieces; which is cool if that's what you want to do, but seriously, I never thought I'd be happy to see a M&H thread appear, because I have to say, most of you are being completely ridiculous.


If you can't see there is an all out culture war attack on trans people at this point, then you'll never see it, but keep up with this hateful language, and it will soon be followed by hateful actions, and then you won't be able to backpedal away from it. I know deep down, that's not what most of you want, but that's where the buy in to this constant noise ends up, because we've all seen one history documentary, or read one book at least.

I agree that this is a very new issue and also very grateful for a long and balanced post to read. I would add though that I don't know that it's necessarily true that everything was going along as always until 2019 (I'd say the last 5 years so close enough) and then it all changed because of propaganda and radicalisation; there has also been a dramatic and quite rapid shift in gender ideology and "queer theory"/identity politics that - frankly - actually has little if anything to do with trans people as they've existed in women's spaces up to this point.

I genuinely don't believe that trans women - people actually clearly living as women, for whatever reason that may be - are a risk to women. But modern gender ideology has completely jumped the shark and reason/logic/any sort of evidence-based practice has gone completely out the window (e.g. womanhood being purely an ethereal concept and male-presenting people identifying as women = unquestionably valid) and its a safeguarding nightmare.

Also the situation with adolescent girls identifying in larger and larger number as boys (the numbers absolutely DWARF male to female teens) and engaging in things like breast binding, plus associated varying degrees of self harm and poor mental health that's going untreated because it's masked under gender identity issues, is utterly shocking and shameful. It's extreme body dismorphia that's rooted in patriarchy and self-loathing misogyny and it's being normalised as progressive and positive... this is a real problem.

Alongside a myriad of other very complicated, quite separate, issues that there's no point even trying to discuss when everything is oversimplified into one battleground.

BUT yes I largely agree - at this point all of those very real issues have unfortunately been swamped... not just "kinda overshadowed" but completely and utterly swamped... by a culture war that feels oddly pre-planned and, lo and behold, benefits precisely one group of people: blokes. Wealthy White Western blokes to be more specific. Who would have thought.

There is no more pressing concern than the rise and widespread acceptance of right wing pseudo-evangelism and I honestly think from what I can see, it's coming.