[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Who #1- Basic science. Its a fact that a cardboard box is a material object
Who #2/3- The definition of God. God is just 'there' in no physical form

How do you know that God does not take a physical form? Are you just arguing for the sake of it again? I thought you didn't even believe in God?

Your argument rests defiantly on the fact that God is not a material object. Why? How do you know this for a fact? Because to use the threads argument, an argument you started out defending ... science can't prove that God isn't material, right?

Originally Posted by setanta

I'm talking about Neanderthals here who didn't have a culture as such Stu, and had very short, violent lifespans. How can you explain a primative species like that having such customs, when all they'd be really interested in is shagging, eating and staying alive? It's amazing really.

As for near death experiences I remember reading about one particular person who was dead on the operating table - heartbeat, brain functions all gone and still could give a detailed account as to what had taken place after he/she has been resuscitated. There is no scientific theory that can really explain it in full. The majority of science looks to internalize all these occurrences, rather than look for any exterior influences that may have been present. The book I'm reading is great. Haven't finished it yet so to be continued lol.

Yet . Isn't it funny how these weird experiences are always clouded instances that only happen to a very, very, very small percentage of the population?

Who knows what the brain is capable of. It's endlessly amazing and for me, it's not an automatic prerequisite to the spiritual. I can't really argue beyond that really I guess. You have you views and I have mine.

What's the book called?