[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by setanta

Well, not the tabloids... broadsheets will have a column or two about it.

Actually interesting looking at the Guardian now and seeing how people have been rating the players. Gerrard is getting the highest mark for England with 6.4, and the average is about 5. States are getting far higher marks. At least some people see that it was a bad performance.

But you are saying that we were shocking and we were far from shocking. Noone in here is saying we had an amazing game, we didn't, but you can't sit there and tell me that an unbiased person would say that we were totally ****e either and that there was nothing there to draw positives from.

I think even if we had won 4 -1 you still would have come in here and made some kind of derogatory comments because you don't seem to be able to give England any credit at all.