[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth

Yes - in a bid to save her career.

Danielle actually did apologise. Jo hasn't, and has come in for some criticism for not doing so.

Yes...I'm sure it's pure coincidence that this conversation took place as soon as jade had been called into the diary room and warned about her behaviour - and I guess it's pure coincidence that she spoke to Shilpa as soon as the penny dropped that she might be perceived as racist.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because a complaint is not made, does not mean that the alleged victim does not think that a crime has been committed. Lots of victims of all sorts of crimes don't report the crime, or don't press charges.

I liked Shilpa. I didn't want her to win though. But you know what? Just because you like someone does not mean that you have to agree with everything they say, and does not mean that you should completely trust their judgement. I realise that this may be difficult for you to understand, given that you seem to believe every word that comes out of Jade's mouth, but the fact is - you are allowed to have your own opinions.

So can you clarify something for me please? Are you saying that it's okay to be a part-time racist? Are you really trying to defend that? And - are you saying that Jade is one of these part-time racists? Because, let's be clear about this - there's no such thing as part-time racism. Anyone who would fit your definition of a part-time racist is most definitely a full-time racist.

We all say things in anger, that's true. But if your insults are based on that persons colour or race, then that is racist.

It's fair enough to claim that you have experienced racism, if you actually have experienced racism.

No, no, no. If they had have said that they didn't like Shilpa because she was controlling or patronising, or whatever, that's one thing. Making fun of her name (e.g., Shilpa Poppadom), or using racial insults is absolutely irrelevant to the reason that they are claiming that they don't like her.

That seems like you are contradicting yourself. First of all you say that they had to show restraint, then you say that some of what they said was over the top maybe I've misunderstood what you were trying to say?

Believe that if you want. She only suddenly became remorseful when she was warned that her behaviour could be perceived as being racist. Coincidence?

A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.

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Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.
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I agree that Danielle was slightly apologetic & Jo wasn't so. It did mess Jo up & I agree with you.
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Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.
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Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show
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I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.
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The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Hardly enough to go on, really!!!
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If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.
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Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?
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Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

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Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

It is more of an educated assumption than a fact! so it is just a debate on that score, Ruth...
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Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.