[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by reece(:

This!!! But I'd put 11 in the bottom too.

Eh I mean I get it but I never bought that much into the 11 hate. Ben and Corin are legitimately top tier HMs and strong cases can be made for both Rach(a)el, Sunshine, Caoimhe, Shabby, I guess even Sam Pepper if you want to go there, among others. But at the same time, there's John James and Dave and some questionable production choices so it kinda evens out into a middle series for me. I definitely hated it more at one point but it benefits tremendously by preceding the real worst series ever BB12.

Originally Posted by Flamingjoe

How is possible to list a "bottom tier" group with BB10 (aka the best series ever) but not have BB11 (aka the worst Ch4 series ever)?

This is actually great because I'm about to cap off my BB10 rewatch with the funale right this minute! 10 is crap; it sucks; it's garbage. Between Rodrigo's shrieking, Siavash's false piety and self-martyrdom, Marcus's whining and tryhardedness, Freddie's hypocrisies, and plenty of other things it's a ridiculous chore to get through. The first half is entire garbage and a non-BB12 low point for the franchise and the axis of Freddie/Marcus/Siavash is really one of the worst of all time. Production was a joke and it's almost like they forgot how to produce a BB series. Nominations are completely disregarded at times, entire tasks are explained in a five minute swatch of Marcus Bentley narration, early series punishments like Noirin's marker eyeglasses and the name change go on way too long and are more cruel than amusing, there are pointless rule breaks left and right that BB doesn't seem to care about, and the whole ordeal about refusing to nominate really makes the last few weeks a drag. There are some good to be found in there, but you really have to sift through a lot of bad parts to get there.

Originally Posted by Hofman

We all have different opinions, but people somehow thinking there opinion is more valid is dismissive and annoying

None of this was even directed at you so chill, you just brought up BB4 so I replied.

Originally Posted by Daniel_

10 does NOT belong in the same group as 11/ 12/ 15...

10 doesn't belong in the same group as 11, you're right, it's much worse.