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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Statistics are never going to be 100% accurate but... treble? Really? ... this is just nonsensical. Do you need to borrow a hyperspoon to help you dish this **** out of your hyperbole?



In both cases, "the majority"? Come on! No one is trying to claim that there aren't people out to abuse the system - both immigrants and people born and raised right here at home. Of course there are. There will always be people looking to exploit things to their advantage. But the MAJORITY of immigrants are dastardly, scheming layabouts who have some sort of supernatural ability to exploit loopholes and get away with it, that aren't being exploited by people here already? More nonsense.



The vast (VAST) majority of the benefits budget is spent on wage top-ups (tax credits, child benefits, etc.) for normal British families. Working families. Because full-time work on anything less than around £11 an hour is not enough to run a household at all let alone to any sort of decent standard. Even the "living wage" (£7.85) is an absolute joke, unless you believe that it's possible to run a household / support a family on < £15000 a year (hint: it isn't). So yes. Our benefits system mainly benefits those who need it: normal, working UK families with children. That is just how broken the UK wage structure vs. the cost of living is.




Again, all of them? If we stop immigration, all of these problems will suddenly be solved, I suppose? We'll be living in a utopia where everyone stops in the street to tip their cap and give a fine how-do-you-do? Yes, there are immigrants involved in organised crime. And white british people, too. Not to mention plenty of home-grown would be gangsters eager to step right up if indeed all of the immigrants were to be removed. The problem, then, is that we're not tackling organised crime very well, surely, rather than it being an immigration issue?




The terms "baby" and "bathwater" come to mind. You want better controlled immigration so let's elect people who are promising that, no matter what other prejudiced and small-minded policies they might have? Who CARES if they round up all of the gays and send them back to their homeland (la la land, is it?) so long as we also get rid of the dirty sand****ers running prostitution rings out of their ill-gotten council houses too, right? Yarrrrr and whar's me pitchfork?