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Holding is a prospect but remember he only came into the side due to the injury crisis. If Gabriel had been available would Holding have played? I doubt it cuz we know Wenger likes a small squad and only make changes when he really has to. Have to agree that I dont rate Gabriel at all yet I bet next year he's in the side above Holding.

Iwobi is also quite interesting. I'm not that big a fan cuz I think he epitomises the kind of player Wenger has been obsessed with lately. Technically gifted but cant run away from the slowest of defenders, Wenger still plays him even when he's hopelessly out of form - would have thought Wenger would have learned from that over the years, neat and tidy looks to pass all the time even when shooting is a better option and he seems to scuff every finish. The stereotypical Wenger player IMO. So I agree they are our only players coming thru which doesn't say much for the rest. Remember the days when we had Henry playing with Adebayor and Van Persie on the bench? We dont have those kind of riches anymore.

Totally agree that Wengers tactics are poor and his loyalty to certain players would frankly have got any other managers the sack. Personally I think the 4231 that he loves and has always loved - a mate pointed out to me the other day that the invincibles played a version of 4231 - just isnt working for a full season. However I think part of the problem is Wengers inability to coach anything else.