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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

Okay LT. Now who's the one being insulting?

I have no problem having constructive and civilised discussions with people I sometimes or regularly disagree with, I've had plenty in my time here with the likes of Kirk, Pyramid, Kizzy, Toy Soldier, Vicky and yes even Livia too. What I - and many others (as you well know, based on the recent multi-page threads about it) - dislike, is the hostile, antagonistic, petty baiting that has plagued this section for almost a year. And yes, I am guilty of partaking in it. That doesn't mean I enjoy it, or don't want it to change. The same applies to many other members.

I've never criticised the mods in this whole debacle so I'm not sure what your point is, in fact when asked I (and others) have tried to offer suggestions which could make their job easier. My issue is with the overall mentality and go-to attitude of many posters of all political persuasions in this section. It needs to change, and the kind of comments I highlighted were just one example.

Thinking it's crass to bring a murder victim into a discussion that isn't even about them isn't a 'lofty ideal' (whatever that even means, it's not the 90s), it's called not being morally bereft. A bit like when the friends and family of Big Brother housemates who are not appearing on the show are criticised and insulted when they are not responsible for the behaviour of their peer or relative. It's the same principle. But, again, you know that already - quite why I'm entertaining this is beyond me.