[user104658]

The increased crime rates are in (large) part due the ghettoism which, yes, has links to immigration (deprived areas in London tend to have large immigrant populations) but the problem is the social division and isolation caused BY ghettoism... the problem is "not enough integration", not "too much immigration".

Also a major factor in London's crime rates being higher than New York is that New York's violent crime rates have fallen by almost 20% since the de facto handgun ban.

More importantly; you're comparing the UK's MOST problematic cities with a cherrypicked US couterpart; The US has four cities (St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Detroit) in the top 50 for murder worldwide. The UK has zero. Also... take a look at those four US cities that are in the top 50. What do they have problems with? Immigration? No; the cities with the highest immigrant population in the US are generally California or Miami based. Also, New York is in the top 10 for immigration.

So what DO those violent US cities all have in common? What DO they have in common with London? Large areas with social and economic deprivation and increasing ghettoism.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The increased crime rates are in (large) part due the ghettoism which, yes, has links to immigration (deprived areas in London tend to have large immigrant populations) but the problem is the social division and isolation caused BY ghettoism... the problem is "not enough integration", not "too much immigration".

Also a major factor in London's crime rates being higher than New York is that New York's violent crime rates have fallen by almost 20% since the de facto handgun ban.

More importantly; you're comparing the UK's MOST problematic cities with a cherrypicked US couterpart; The US has four cities (St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Detroit) in the top 50 for murder worldwide. The UK has zero. Also... take a look at those four US cities that are in the top 50. What do they have problems with? Immigration? No; the cities with the highest immigrant population in the US are generally California or Miami based. Also, New York is in the top 10 for immigration.

So what DO those violent US cities all have in common? What DO they have in common with London? Large areas with social and economic deprivation and increasing ghettoism.

It sounds like you are firmly placing the blame for social and economic deprivation and increasing ghettosim on everyone but those living in those areas. We are constantly being told that we are short of workers and need more people to come here to fill all the vacant jobs apparently available out there so why aren't those in these deprived areas doing just that and improving their situation. And how does being poor justify violence? I will never accept that being poor justifies violence, crime and murder! Living in a ghetto doesn't mean you have to act like it. Besides ghettoism also comes from within where people living together in defined areas choose not to integrate, to keep to themselves and follow their own ways.

Blaming the hosts is a detraction in my opinion.