[Withano]

She is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie. She is a ciswoman, unlike Kellie Malonie. If she rejects the adjective cis then fine, but its not incredibly descriptive of what kind of woman she is. But thats on her I guess.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

She is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie. She is a ciswoman, unlike Kellie Malonie. If she rejects the adjective cis then fine, but its not incredibly descriptive of what kind of woman she is. But thats on her I guess.

More idiotic 'bullshot with bells on'.

Alison Moyet is a 100% anatomical and physiological woman and has been since birth, **** knows just WHAT 'Kellie' Maloney (NOT Malonie) is now by a 'definition' which conforms to the correct one of a thousand B.S. 'labels' which daft idiots keep inventing for no reason, but 'she' used to be boxing promoter Frank Maloney and he was NEVER a 100% anatomical and physiological woman.

This being a FACT, your statement that; "she is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie" is pure 'horlicks'.

Incidentally, I find the term 'cis' woman very offensive because it has connotations of disease and if I were to hear anyone so describing my wife or daughter in such a way they would be booking an urgent appointment with their dentist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

More idiotic 'bullshot with bells on'.

Alison Moyet is a 100% anatomical and physiological woman and has been since birth, **** knows just WHAT 'Kellie' Maloney (NOT Malonie) is now by a 'definition' which conforms to the correct one of a thousand B.S. 'labels' which daft idiots keep inventing for no reason, but 'she' used to be boxing promoter Frank Maloney and he was NEVER a 100% anatomical and physiological woman.

This being a FACT, your statement that; "she is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie" is pure 'horlicks'.

Incidentally, I find the term 'cis' woman very offensive because it has connotations of disease and if I were to hear anyone so describing my wife or daughter in such a way they would be booking an urgent appointment with their dentist.

Connotations of disease?

No it simply means what you said in your first paragraph biologically female and born as such. Transwoman meaning not biologically or born as such.

Whining that "Omg they are not women!!" Then also moaning about the terms that then differentiate between those born as women and those not is so childish and bordering on transphobic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

More idiotic 'bullshot with bells on'.

Alison Moyet is a 100% anatomical and physiological woman and has been since birth, **** knows just WHAT 'Kellie' Maloney (NOT Malonie) is now by a 'definition' which conforms to the correct one of a thousand B.S. 'labels' which daft idiots keep inventing for no reason, but 'she' used to be boxing promoter Frank Maloney and he was NEVER a 100% anatomical and physiological woman.

This being a FACT, your statement that; "she is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie" is pure 'horlicks'.

Incidentally, I find the term 'cis' woman very offensive because it has connotations of disease and if I were to hear anyone so describing my wife or daughter in such a way they would be booking an urgent appointment with their dentist.

Right. But that means she is a cis woman. That is the factual and accurate way to describe a woman like this.

If she rejects the term cis, then thats up to her in the same way that a transwoman may reject the term trans.. it doesnt stop it being factually accurate, but i guess its up to each person.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a fact... it's a nonsense word, like PC.
I am a woman, that is factually and literally what I am, because someone invented a term a few months ago that does NOT redefine me!

Originally Posted by Withano

She is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie. She is a ciswoman, unlike Kellie Malonie. If she rejects the adjective cis then fine, but its not incredibly descriptive of what kind of woman she is. But thats on her I guess.

I’m aware you’re a woman, I’d be annoyed if anybody told you that you wasn’t, that hasn’t happened.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’m aware you’re a woman, I’d be annoyed if anybody told you that you wasn’t, that hasn’t happened.

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...


If it's just a descriptor then it shouldn't be an issue should it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...

Because they are "trans"...

Again, the word "cis" isn't referring to women, or taking the word women away from women. It simply means you were born the sex and gender you are. There are cis men too, not just cis women.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...


If it's just a descriptor then it shouldn't be an issue should it?

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

No it doesn't, trans is just short for the word transition.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

No it doesn't, trans is just short for the word transition.

The prefix ‘trans’ means to cross, go over, or the opposite side of.
The prefix ‘cis’ means the same side of

I feel like now we’re just being angry that language exists.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

The prefix ‘trans’ means to cross, go over, or the opposite side of.
The prefix ‘cis’ means the same side of

I feel like now we’re just being angry that language exists.

There is only, and will only ever be two genders, male and female, that's reality. In fantasy, you can be whatever you want.

You're free to live your life in a World of fantasy if you wish, but when you start to believe fantasies are realities, and demanding people to also accept your fantasies as realities, then you're gonna get opposed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

But nobody's suggesting we use these words to introduce ourselves.

It's no different to me pointing across the room to say "That's Kizzy, the tall brunette lady!". You are a woman, in a relevant conversation about sex and sexuality you would be a "cis woman", just as you would be a "straight woman".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But nobody's suggesting we use these words to introduce ourselves.

It's no different to me pointing across the room to say "That's Kizzy, the tall brunette lady!". You are a woman, in a relevant conversation about sex and sexuality you would be a "cis woman", just as you would be a "straight woman".

But if I'm not a trans woman what else would I be?.....

Just a woman! There is nothing else :/

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

Nobody does this lol.

It is a descriptor that can quickly explain that you are a woman that was born a woman should you ever have need for that.

I’ve never had to describe myself as a cismale, but I’m aware that I am one.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody does this lol.

It is a descriptor that can quickly explain that you are a woman that was born a woman should you ever have need for that.

I’ve never had to describe myself as a cismale, but I’m aware that I am one.

There's no need for an additional descriptor for biological women, because transwomen have the thing that separates them in their name.