[Pink Panther]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I bet she'll still appear on tv shows after CBB telling more lies about Ryan, she'll probably invent more BS and produce more crocodile tears! . Yes she is a grim person ! .

Remember how Trisha behaved after leaving? Those long videos full of lies about Big Brother as if she'd been wronged. That's Roxanne's next move.

Except Trish had an idiot fanbase that care to hear her bull****, Roxanne has nothing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I bet she'll still appear on tv shows after CBB telling more lies about Ryan, she'll probably invent more BS and produce more crocodile tears! . Yes she is a grim person ! .

..yeah, I think the TV show appearances and media stories are inevitable, GoldHeart...she’s become somewhat of an ‘exclusive’..we want her first, type thing...but so far as the BB house is concerned, she can’t invent anything as it’s all there on camera ..and in any other aspect of her life etc..?...she’s fairly much lost any credibility now for the public to believe anything she says...so the damage to her by her own hand...her own ‘blow’, we could say...is yeah, a massive punch and she’s so going to feel that punch that she’s dealt to herself...

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she can’t slander, though..it’s all in the footage and I would think from many angles with all of the cameras in the house...and she will also have seen a medic etc...it may be that Ryan does go down a legal route with what she’s said...but I don’t see the value of so much public hate toward...especially as she doesn’t feel quite stable and balanced, emotionally...she’s done and said what she’s done, it can’t be taken back and I would think she’s fairly much destroyed her own career are any credibility she may have had...there is nothing to be gained by hating someone on a reality show is my opinion...she’s of grim character, Ryan will deal with it all when he comes out..legally or otherwise, whatever his decisions are...so just no value at all the the public hate, I personally feel...

I think it’s more a lot of people have saw on national tv how easy it is for someone to come across as innocent and spread a lie about something as serious as assault. The fact that she’s supposedly done it before has kinds exemplified that she’s a cold liar who isn’t afraid to ruin someone, and clearly this hits hard no more than to her costars, who have been insanely vocal on twitter about her. I jut think it’s something stronger than just some reality tv bully/villain because there have been plently on this show that I’ve never been as bothered with as I have roxy. Idk that’s just my take

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I think it’s more a lot of people have saw on national tv how easy it is for someone to come across as innocent and spread a lie about something as serious as assault. The fact that she’s supposedly done it before has kinds exemplified that she’s a cold liar who isn’t afraid to ruin someone, and clearly this hits hard no more than to her costars, who have been insanely vocal on twitter about her. I jut think it’s something stronger than just some reality tv bully/villain because there have been plently on this show that I’ve never been as bothered with as I have roxy. Idk that’s just my take

..yeah I do completely understand Elliot, I truly do...it does indeed show how things can be manipulated in such a way as to be so damaging to someone else, as with Ryan..?..but for me, she’s not someone who is going to get away with it in any way..because the reality is that BB is a a situation of being able to prove beyond a doubt with the cameras etc.p and Ryan remains un-damaged because he is a victim...I’d like to think in the real world as well that her despicable accusation wouldn’t have much credence either because of the lack of any injury or bruising etc, it wouldn’t be accepted at just ‘word value’...so not something she would ever get away with in ruining or damaging someone’s life potentially etc..?...she’s only ruined or destroyed herself ..by her own hand and by her own punch...

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I do completely understand Elliot, I truly do...it does indeed show how things can be manipulated in such a way as to be so damaging to someone else, as with Ryan..?..but for me, she’s not someone who is going to get away with it in any way..because the reality is that BB is a a situation of being able to prove beyond a doubt with the cameras etc.p and Ryan remains un-damaged because he is a victim...I’d like to think in the real world as well that her despicable accusation wouldn’t have much credence either because of the lack of any injury or bruising etc, it wouldn’t be accepted at just ‘word value’...so not something she would ever get away with in ruining or damaging someone’s life potentially etc..?...she’s only ruined or destroyed herself ..by her own hand and by her own punch...

I mean yeah in a logical standpoint there’s no reason to be mad because she has well and truly fked her career up with this. She wasn’t able to get away with it tie time, but according to recollections from costars on twitter this is fsr from the first time she’s pulled something of the sort. Someon made a joke about it in a thread comparing it to metoo, but maybe for her costars and people she’s worked with that might actually be the case that she’s this horror that they’ve never been able to do anything about, which I think is certainly plausable. In fact it’s even more like metoo with the subtle social commentary, as it has brought false allegations into consciousness. Idk maybe I’m over dramatising it, but Ryan, his family and the people that she’s worked with that she’s supposedly threatened all seem to be taking this as seriously, along with advocates for domestic violence aid

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I mean yeah in a logical standpoint there’s no reason to be mad because she has well and truly fked her career up with this. She wasn’t able to get away with it tie time, but according to recollections from costars on twitter this is fsr from the first time she’s pulled something of the sort. Someon made a joke about it in a thread comparing it to metoo, but maybe for her costars and people she’s worked with that might actually be the case that she’s this horror that they’ve never been able to do anything about, which I think is certainly plausable. In fact it’s even more like metoo with the subtle social commentary, as it has brought false allegations into consciousness. Idk maybe I’m over dramatising it, but Ryan, his family and the people that she’s worked with that she’s supposedly threatened all seem to be taking this as seriously, along with advocates for domestic violence aid

...well the ‘Twitter recollections’ may be true ..but they could equally be the kind of Twitter and social media stuff that’s so typical also with things like this, you know..they’re not things that can be proven in the same way and really I don’t know if any are true or not..so yeah, she might be a serial horror person..or no, is equally plausible for me...but if it was a yes, that this is a recurrent behaviour pattern that nothing has been able to be done about it...well wow, it’s all been revealed now...so a gratifying moment would be understandably felt as she’s unravelled herself ...’karma complete’ as it were...I can understand also for those who may have indeed experienced similar from her or with her...there could and would be hate...but yeah, their justice is complete now and in full public view ..(..if any previous stuff is true..)...and I completely understand with Ryan and his family and friends ..how serious it is to them and can understand any hate feelings from them atm..?...domestic violence is a very serious issue always ...but this does also highlight that there could also be innocence as well...I think surely a good thing for that to be highlighted..and again showing how easily a manipulation could be presented..in some cases..I think is a reality we have to consider as well...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RileyH

oop

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

It's not like she assaulted anyone.

she did

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...well the ‘Twitter recollections’ may be true ..but they could equally be the kind of Twitter and social media stuff that’s so typical also with things like this, you know..they’re not things that can be proven in the same way and really I don’t know if any are true or not..so yeah, she might be a serial horror person..or no, is equally plausible for me...but if it was a yes, that this is a recurrent behaviour pattern that nothing has been able to be done about it...well wow, it’s all been revealed now...so a gratifying moment would be understandably felt as she’s unravelled herself ...’karma complete’ as it were...I can understand also for those who may have indeed experienced similar from her or with her...there could and would be hate...but yeah, their justice is complete now and in full public view ..(..if any previous stuff is true..)...and I completely understand with Ryan and his family and friends ..how serious it is to them and can understand any hate feelings from them atm..?...domestic violence is a very serious issue always ...but this does also highlight that there could also be innocence as well...I think surely a good thing for that to be highlighted..and again showing how easily a manipulation could be presented..in some cases..I think is a reality we have to consider as well...

I mean yeah it’s certainly stuff that’s always crossed my mind and now it’s being put on blast and raising the question to the general public. Who knows, big brother may be an arbiter for slight shift in social attitudes. At that point it gets all too political anyway. Anyway yeah you’re right it might be a karma moment for a lot of people. There’s a lot of people anticipating her eviction and wanting her to come out and hear her reception. I personally think she deserves the backlash. What she’s doing is dangerous and harmful and it’s kinda sending an overarching message that stuff like that isn’t accepted in society if she comes out and gets that heavy reception.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I mean yeah it’s certainly stuff that’s always crossed my mind and now it’s being put on blast and raising the question to the general public. Who knows, big brother may be an arbiter for slight shift in social attitudes. At that point it gets all too political anyway. Anyway yeah you’re right it might be a karma moment for a lot of people. There’s a lot of people anticipating her eviction and wanting her to come out and hear her reception. I personally think she deserves the backlash. What she’s doing is dangerous and harmful and it’s kinda sending an overarching message that stuff like that isn’t accepted in society if she comes out and gets that heavy reception.

..yeah it is extremely dangerous and harmful and in this situation it’s been highlighted as to just how easily it is to completely flip and manipulate something so dangerous and harmful...I’ve often read articles of how reality TV is part of a ‘decline in today’s society’...such like articles of which there seem to have been many..?...but this is highlighting something very positive because in many or most of those dangerous and harmful situations that are a reality for some...a living nightmare..?...there won’t be any absolute proof as there is in the house situation...so yeah, this is more the focus for me personally...to raise an awareness of just how easily....and yeah, this is going to be destroying for her in many ways...

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah it is extremely dangerous and harmful and in this situation it’s been highlighted as to just how easily it is to completely flip and manipulate something so dangerous and harmful...I’ve often read articles of how reality TV is part of a ‘decline in today’s society’...such like articles of which there seem to have been many..?...but this is highlighting something very positive because in many or most of those dangerous and harmful situations that are a reality for some...a living nightmare..?...there won’t be any absolute proof as there is in the house situation...so yeah, this is more the focus for me personally...to raise an awareness of just how easily....and yeah, this is going to be destroying for her in many ways...

Yeah. It’s why I’m glad big brother exists because any other medium wouldn’t have tackled this ever. At the moment social commentary wise the central focus is on the acts themselves (domestic abuse), which is a great thing and was much needed as it has given it a serious edge n thus has probably saved millions of life’s, but unfortunately the repricussions of an ever changing society exist and sometimes aren’t adequately discussed, false allegations being one of them. It’s brought nuance to something that I don’t think any other media could’ve. Big brother is real af at its best.
Also yeah I legitimately see her going into hiding or something of the sort because the reception seems almost as volatile as fking jade goody. God knows if she’ll ever work again

[Captain.Remy]

I haven't watched any of it since Natalie and Rodrigo, the true show makers, left. What happened?

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I do completely understand Elliot, I truly do...it does indeed show how things can be manipulated in such a way as to be so damaging to someone else, as with Ryan..?..but for me, she’s not someone who is going to get away with it in any way..because the reality is that BB is a a situation of being able to prove beyond a doubt with the cameras etc.p and Ryan remains un-damaged because he is a victim...I’d like to think in the real world as well that her despicable accusation wouldn’t have much credence either because of the lack of any injury or bruising etc, it wouldn’t be accepted at just ‘word value’...so not something she would ever get away with in ruining or damaging someone’s life potentially etc..?...she’s only ruined or destroyed herself ..by her own hand and by her own punch...

I don't believe Ryan 'remains undamaged' by what has happened. On live feed last night, it was clear that it has affected him deeply, and he came across as a broken man. It was hard to watch.

This incident will stay with him, and will probably make him question everything he says and does in the future. He will be left with concerns that anything he does could be misinterpreted or misrepresented, and this is surely going to leave him feeling vulnerable. I wonder whether he will ever again be quite the same happy go lucky character he was before this happened.
So, although hopefully this won't affect his career or the way people see him, I don't think he will be left undamaged by this.

The only positive thing to come out of this is that it highlights how horribly easy it is for a woman to make a false allegation against a man, and potentially destroy everything that matters to him, leaving his life in tatters. Not only do Roxanne's actions undermine true victims of domestic violence, and put back the work many domestic violence charities have done over the years - several charities have already come out and said this- it also shows how easily a woman can manipulate a situation in a very vindictive and concerning manner; it shows her to be a cruel and dangerous person to be around, no matter what her reasons for doing what she has done. You highlight the Sophie Gradon situation in showing concern for Roxanne, but I feel it could, and should, also be used to in relation to Ryan, and other men who have been falsely accused.

I do believe that everyone who has demons makes a choice about how they respond to those demons, and of whether they use them as an excuse to treat others badly, or as a reason, or incentive, to take positive action to address those demons. No matter what demons she might have, it is never right to direct them out at others and destroy their lives. She needs to be made accountable for her actions, and she needs to take responsibility.

[Gusto Brunt]

The thing she did that is inexcusable was to brand Ryan a 'woman' beater when all he did was give her a couple of playful taps.

Okay, those taps might have been a little too hard, but no malice intended. And Ryan said sorry.

But oh no, she tried to milk it and make out Ryan was a bad man. All lies, and she should be ashamed. She made a mockery of real violence against women.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't believe Ryan 'remains undamaged' by what has happened. On live feed last night, it was clear that it has affected him deeply, and he came across as a broken man. It was hard to watch.

This incident will stay with him, and will probably make him question everything he says and does in the future. He will be left with concerns that anything he does could be misinterpreted or misrepresented, and this is surely going to leave him feeling vulnerable. I wonder whether he will ever again be quite the same happy go lucky character he was before this happened.

So, although hopefully this won't affect his career or the way people see him, I don't think he will be left undamaged by this.

The only positive thing to come out of this is that it highlights how horribly easy it is for a woman to make a false allegation against a man, and potentially destroy everything that matters to him, leaving his life in tatters. Not only do Roxanne's actions undermine true victims of domestic violence, and put back the work many domestic violence charities have done over the years - several charities have already come out and said this- it also shows how easily a woman can manipulate a situation in a very vindictive and concerning manner; it shows her to be a cruel and dangerous person to be around, no matter what her reasons for doing what she has done. You highlight the Sophie Gradon situation in showing concern for Roxanne, but I feel it could, and should, also be used to in relation to Ryan, and other men who have been falsely accused.

I do believe that everyone who has demons makes a choice about how they respond to those demons, and of whether they use them as an excuse to treat others badly, or as a reaso, or incentive, to take positive action to address those demons. No matter what demons she might have, it is never right to direct them out at others and destroy their lives. She needs to be made accountable for her actions, and she needs to take responsibility.

...yeah I guess what I meant by un-damaged, Garfie..?...is more that because it’s all been seen on camera as to prove ‘beyond doubt’...his damage with this will receive so much support way beyond family and friends etc..he has the full public support as well...which Roxanne hasn’t so her damage long term will be immense, I think...in terms of her career and credibility etc...and yeah, I do agree about the demons and the choices we make...and she’s become fully accountable for hers, of course ...no extra hate from the public will change any of that or the responsibility she has to take now...is how I feel...

[Captain.Remy]

I just did watch the footage. All of this mess for three little kicks in the ribs he didn't mean to be this hard?
However though, we don't know Roxanne's personal story so maybe what Ryan did triggered something in her deeper than what we saw. I don't know, it looks messy from both ends.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't believe Ryan 'remains undamaged' by what has happened. On live feed last night, it was clear that it has affected him deeply, and he came across as a broken man. It was hard to watch.

This incident will stay with him, and will probably make him question everything he says and does in the future. He will be left with concerns that anything he does could be misinterpreted or misrepresented, and this is surely going to leave him feeling vulnerable. I wonder whether he will ever again be quite the same happy go lucky character he was before this happened.
So, although hopefully this won't affect his career or the way people see him, I don't think he will be left undamaged by this.

The only positive thing to come out of this is that it highlights how horribly easy it is for a woman to make a false allegation against a man, and potentially destroy everything that matters to him, leaving his life in tatters. Not only do Roxanne's actions undermine true victims of domestic violence, and put back the work many domestic violence charities have done over the years - several charities have already come out and said this- it also shows how easily a woman can manipulate a situation in a very vindictive and concerning manner; it shows her to be a cruel and dangerous person to be around, no matter what her reasons for doing what she has done. You highlight the Sophie Gradon situation in showing concern for Roxanne, but I feel it could, and should, also be used to in relation to Ryan, and other men who have been falsely accused.

I do believe that everyone who has demons makes a choice about how they respond to those demons, and of whether they use them as an excuse to treat others badly, or as a reason, or incentive, to take positive action to address those demons. No matter what demons she might have, it is never right to direct them out at others and destroy their lives. She needs to be made accountable for her actions, and she needs to take responsibility.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I just did watch the footage. All of this mess for three little kicks in the ribs he didn't mean to be this hard?
However though, we don't know Roxanne's personal story so maybe what Ryan did triggered something in her deeper than what we saw. I don't know, it looks messy from both ends.

You should watch the last two episodes. After the ordeal she calls for his ejection, forces him to get a warning and end up reducing him to tears twice, turns half of the house against him with her lies. Outright lies to Ben about what happened which he confirmed in his exit interview

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Elliot

You should watch the last two episodes. After the ordeal she calls for his ejection, forces him to get a warning and end up reducing him to tears twice, turns half of the house against him with her lies. Outright lies to Ben about what happened which he confirmed in his exit interview

I did, and I am not saying she is in the right. Nor he is for hitting her in the first place, even though she tried to reach for something bigger than it was.
I'm just saying we don't know exactly why she felt the way she felt. To her it doesn't look it was taken out of proportion whereas to us this is what it looks like. Her reaction is triggered by something we might not know of, that's why I am being careful with it because in the end we don't know her or her personal life.

[BBDodge]

When did he "kick her in the ribs"?

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah I guess what I meant by un-damaged, Garfie..?...is more that because it’s all been seen on camera as to prove ‘beyond doubt’...his damage with this will receive so much support way beyond family and friends etc..he has the full public support as well...which Roxanne hasn’t so her damage long term will be immense, I think...in terms of her career and credibility etc...and yeah, I do agree about the demons and the choices we make...and she’s become fully accountable for hers, of course ...no extra hate from the public will change any of that or the responsibility she has to take now...is how I feel...

I agree that the damage on Roxanne long term will be immense but she has brought this on herself through the choices that she made. She now has to live with those consequences, and hopefully it might make her seek the help she so obviously needs.

However, through no fault of his own, no matter what support he has, I do believe there will be a mental and emotional impact on Ryan longer term. This might not be as extreme as the impact on Roxanne but he is the innocent in this, and the effect on him needs to be recognised, and highlighted, especially as it is so unfair and so undeserved. It is so easy to forget about, or to minimise the effect on the victim, whilst so much of the public's focus is on Roxanne.

Through Roxanne failing to address her own demons in the past, she has, I feel. through her actions, created demons in someone else. I don't hate her for that, although I do detest her behaviour, and I can understand where people are coming from.

[Cal.]

She’s overtaken Helen I reckon.

[HBB1508]

Yes she is one poisonous snake

[Bluelight]

India was never hated. Plenty love her! She was just misunderstood in my opinion. Roxanne has been vicious - potentially ruining lives. Think it’s going to be really bad when she sees the reaction. Might need to go in a clinic.

[Pink Panther]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How was India the most hated housemate ever? Many ppl think she was the only entertainment of CBB21.