[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He does clearly suffer anxiety. No disputing that.

However, theres a difference between anxiety and throwing the metaphorical toys out of the pram as you did not get a privilege. And making out that its because of anxiety, rather than admitting you are just throwing a strop!

I genuinely reckon it was more about being sat on his own again and he'd probably have been OK even if Cameron moved back .

His anxiety / nervousness affects his character which is a shame. I don't think he's exactly who he would like to be... But would genuinely say that I think most if not all of his worst moments have been heavily linked to it. I feel pretty bad for him tbh, he has potential to be better but is badly affected by his mental health.

[joeysteele]

Also on the 5 hour stint out to China.
He was distracted as to time with being given baby bao bao.
The time back was going to be sitting on his own for a projected 7 hours.

Yes, there were others on the set with him and yes he'd have preferred to have been sitting with Cameron who he feels close to.

However, it may have not escalated to where it went, had he still been made responsible on the return plan with another task.

He handled being given a baby task really well and put a lot into it.
Keeping him occupied, or having someone there to talk fairly privately to at his side, seems to calm any anxieties surfacing in. Lewis.

Considering Cameron had got irritated with Akeem on the outward set up, I actually found it odd those flight attendants, put Cameron and Akeem together anyway on the return set.

[user104658]

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it .

Bless Lewis, he makes me smile

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I genuinely reckon it was more about being sat on his own again and he'd probably have been OK even if Cameron moved back .

His anxiety / nervousness affects his character which is a shame. I don't think he's exactly who he would like to be... But would genuinely say that I think most if not all of his worst moments have been heavily linked to it. I feel pretty bad for him tbh, he has potential to be better but is badly affected by his mental health.

A 27 year old man behaving like a 12 year old ! .

[Liam-]

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby .

With respect, you are putting words into Lewis mouth which he hadn't said.

it didn't happen and he didn't say it, it is conjecture.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .

He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

Because it's being called a serious panic attack /anxiety breakdown, when really he was just having a rant and being spoilt brat .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Because it's being called a serious panic attack /anxiety breakdown, when really he was just having a rant and being spoilt brat .

Shall we just say, it was ambiguous, it could be viewed both ways but because of the editing, it is almost impossible to call and therefore open to interpretation.

In the great scale of things it was not a big thing, there has been far worse and things have moved on and let's hope a happier Lewis will prevail in the coming days.

[Ammi]

..I think the problem with Lewis is that he is prone to tantrum-like behaviour and whinging and moaning type behaviour...so knowing whether a panic attack was real would be such a difficult call..and I don’t think we’ll ever know because he’s become a boy who cried wolf, type character...


...with Sian..?...I can see the thoughts of...oh she pipes up now to mock someone when she’s barely spoken before..?...and feelings of negativity towards her...but she and the other housemates are the ones who have lived with Lewis and live with him day in and day out etc...through his tantrums and through his rants and through his whinges and through his paranoia and through his lack of self awareness etc...so maybe the thing that she did speak up to mock him could be seen as an indication of how much he drains/oppresses the house in his vibe..?...at least Sian’s negative behaviour hasn’t been a consistency, whereas Lewis’ has tended to be...and yeah, I would imagine....quite hard to live with...so it would bring out negative stuff in others....cause and effect, I guess...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for.....but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

[Cherie]

He said it himself, he kicked off over not getting the front seat, he felt he was more entitled to it than Akeem or Cameron, it was nothing to do with anxiety. If he was anxious why would he be less anxious sitting in front, it wasn't as if he couldn't get out of his seat and stretch his legs, I would be interested to know if he has ever flown for real for 7 hours, and if so does he have to be in first class

[Ammi]

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

Good point Ammi

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for.....but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

Indeed

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the problem with Lewis is that he is prone to tantrum-like behaviour and whinging and moaning type behaviour...so knowing whether a panic attack was real would be such a difficult call..and I don’t think we’ll ever know because he’s become a boy who cried wolf, type character...


...with Sian..?...I can see the thoughts of...oh she pipes up now to mock someone when she’s barely spoken before..?...and feelings of negativity towards her...but she and the other housemates are the ones who have lived with Lewis and live with him day in and day out etc...through his tantrums and through his rants and through his whinges and through his paranoia and through his lack of self awareness etc...so maybe the thing that she did speak up to mock him could be seen as an indication of how much he drains/oppresses the house in his vibe..?...at least Sian’s negative behaviour hasn’t been a consistency, whereas Lewis’ has tended to be...and yeah, I would imagine....quite hard to live with...so it would bring out negative stuff in others....cause and effect, I guess...

Great post

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

But he DID tell Kenaley she shouldn't complain about the food as he thought it could cause them to fail. Yet Lewis caused a fail by having a tantrum .

[Starscream]

Only good thing Sian's ever done.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This kind of thing is so odd to me. This total refusal to acknowledge that a fave has done wrong, or that someone may have a point when they say something even slightly negative about a fave.

Of course, not all viewers are the same, but it seems a lot are..it seems a lot more prevalant on FB than on here mind...but a fair few on here do it too. Its always puzzled me how one can base their opinions on every other HM in the house, around how their fave acts/who their fave likes/who their fave hates/etc. Rather than having separate opinions on separate housemates and being able to see beyond the ...tribalism of 'my fave is perfect and never does wrong' type thing Having said that, its quite common for me to enjoy BOTH of the final 2, where they generally are arch enemies. Might well be me thats weird

I so agree with everything you say here. It totally baffles me, as every housemate has their flaws no matter how much you like them- that's just part of being human.