[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But that can apply to most women and likewise men...nothing to do with autism.

No.... you're misunderstanding.

People who lack confidence don't all do so for the same reason.
Anne's may be because of autism, she feels more self conscious with women. That's entirely justified for Anne to say if that's the way she feels.

Or she has a generalised social anxiety, which wouldn't exactly be uncommon for someone with Asperger's, a very large aspect of which is social interaction so she personally feels more comfortable with men.

To say any part of her social interactions or lack of have "nothing to do with autism" is fundamentally flawed since it is one of the primary characteristics and will, very likely, be affected by it.

[ThriceShy]

Anne is doing a wonderful job in the jungle. I love how she is being such a positive role model for people with Autism.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But Rusti you have to admit with her condition she probably takes longer to feel relaxed around people and fit in . It's a known trait that autistic people struggle in some social situations .

I hear what you are saying BUT many people have those same insecurities who don't suffer with her condition. I know several people at work who like Anne...single and socially unaware who feel more comfortable around one sex rather than the other who are not autistic. You can't put everything down to autism..that's all I'm saying.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I hear what you are saying BUT many people have those same insecurities who don't suffer with her condition. I know several people at work who like Anne...single and socially unaware who feel more comfortable around one sex rather than the other who are not autistic. You can't put everything down to autism..that's all I'm saying.

So?

That's like saying a chesty cough is sometimes just a chesty cough, it's nothing to do with pneumonia.

A fundamental aspect of autism is trouble with social interaction and communication. To say it's "nothing to do with it" because non-autistic people can also be socially awkward is nonsense.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So?

That's like saying a chesty cough is sometimes just a chesty cough, it's nothing to do with pneumonia.

A fundamental aspect of autism is trouble with social interaction and communication. To say it's "nothing to do with it" because non-autistic people can also be socially awkward is nonsense.

I disagree. If autism means she has struggles with social interaction how come she doesn't struggle with men?...it's a preference that some people have autistic or not...that's my point.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

it's a preference that some people have autistic or not...that's my point.

what

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I disagree. If autism means she has struggles with social interaction how come she doesn't struggle with men?...it's a preference that some people have autistic or not...that's my point.

Who said she doesn't struggle?

She may have felt more at ease around men, maybe she spent a lot of time with her father or brothers or whatever growing up? She's also 60 years old and has said many times that it's taken her years to adapt to certain things and learn ways that didn't come all that naturally to her, that usually would to a non-autistic person. Maybe in doing so she gravitated towards male friends.

Disagree? You disagree that autism affects social interaction and communication? Dear GOD!

A "preference" is completely different. A woman simply preferring the company of males, maybe because she has more stereotypically male interests or whatever isn't the same thing at all.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Elliot

what

What's 'what' supposed to mean...discuss.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said she doesn't struggle?

She may have felt more at ease around men, maybe she spent a lot of time with her father or brothers or whatever growing up? She's also 60 years old and has said many times that it's taken her years to adapt to certain things and learn ways that didn't come all that naturally to her, that usually would to a non-autistic person. Maybe in doing so she gravitated towards male friends.

Disagree? You disagree that autism affects social interaction and communication? Dear GOD!

A "preference" is completely different. A woman simply preferring the company of males, maybe because she has more stereotypically male interests or whatever isn't the same thing at all.

You are very good at twisting words aren't you...that's where you kill any discussion. I never said that autism doesn't affect social interaction and communication... don't put words into my mouth.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are very good at twisting words aren't you...that's where you kill any discussion. I never said that autism doesn't affect social interaction and communication... don't put words into my mouth.

No. You literally said...

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But that can apply to most women and likewise men...nothing to do with autism.

Then...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So?

That's like saying a chesty cough is sometimes just a chesty cough, it's nothing to do with pneumonia.

A fundamental aspect of autism is trouble with social interaction and communication. To say it's "nothing to do with it" because non-autistic people can also be socially awkward is nonsense.

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I disagree. If autism means she has struggles with social interaction how come she doesn't struggle with men?...it's a preference that some people have autistic or not...that's my point.

Maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.

"Non-autistic people can struggle socially too" does not mean social interaction is not affected by autism. Nor does it disprove that Anne's autism has/had an effect on Anne's social life.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Alf

She's a victim and I'm better and more able than her, which is why I like her.

So you are admitting you purposely hate on the disabled because they can't do what you can??

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So?

That's like saying a chesty cough is sometimes just a chesty cough, it's nothing to do with pneumonia.

A fundamental aspect of autism is trouble with social interaction and communication. To say it's "nothing to do with it" because non-autistic people can also be socially awkward is nonsense.

Exactly this

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by reece(:

She's brave and raising awareness, very rootable

utter tosh


she is making people think autism = weakness and special treatment

the campmates are treating her like a subhuman

vile to watch

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It reminds me of when fanclub's get gatecrashed with troll comments for no reason .

Couldn't you read the post you quoted?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

or it could mean she doesn't do emotions, only facts
men don't do emotions among themselves so she feels comfier with men

Id say more like she feels judged and inferior to slimmer more attractive women

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But Rusti you have to admit with her condition she probably takes longer to feel relaxed around people and fit in . It's a known trait that autistic people struggle in some social situations .

I don't get that, cause she will have been in an out of busy pubs her entire adult life doing pub quizes...but that's something she enjoys so can obviously overcome her angst when it suits her

[Mystic Mock]

She mentioned Birmingham City Football Club, what else can you ask for after that?

[bots]

I am not an Anne fan, however I have noticed that she is being molly coddled by her fellow camp mates, presenters and viewers .... but also overly harshly condemned by her critics ....

Taking all that in to consideration, I judge her on entertainment value. For me, there are 3 camp mates I consider less entertaining, and given its been a good year for casting I don't see much wrong with how she has "performed" this year. There have been some dire camp mates in previous years

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I don't dislike her...but I don't think she should be in the jungle. Every challenge is a challenge to everyone not just Anne. The other challenges in this programme are dealing with jungle life and teamwork. Anne does nothing around camp..everyone looks after her. If I had seen her make an effort..I would have more respect for her...but she's happy to watch others do it all for her. If you can go to the creek to swim and wash..you can go to the creek to wash up. If you can hold a fork and eat from the container..why can't you hold a cloth and clean a container?...I don't get it.

Fantastic post, this is my issue too, I don't get the mollycoddling, I get that she might finds some things difficult but then the jungle is supposed to challenge you, it is not an easy ride for anyone, she is not enabled in there, she is disabled by her fellow camp mates, I know they think they are doing the right thing but is sad to see her treated so differently when most people who are 'different' just want to be treated the same

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Fantastic post, this is my issue too, I don't get the mollycoddling, I get that she might finds some things difficult but then the jungle is supposed to challenge you, it is not an easy ride for anyone, she is not enabled in there, she is disabled by her fellow camp mates, I know they think they are doing the right thing but is sad to see her treated so differently when most people who are 'different' just want to be treated the same

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Fantastic post, this is my issue too, I don't get the mollycoddling, I get that she might finds some things difficult but then the jungle is supposed to challenge you, it is not an easy ride for anyone, she is not enabled in there, she is disabled by her fellow camp mates, I know they think they are doing the right thing but is sad to see her treated so differently when most people who are 'different' just want to be treated the same

Absolutely...Its sad that people have these conditions..it must make life very challenging. However if Anne went in there to challenge herself,,,dont go in there and expect people to look after you and do all the mundane housework whilst you sit there and watch them do it. She has Nicks pillow and Harry would have given her his chair...and she wouldn't have hesitated to take it, like the pillow. They are just luxuries an opportunity where she could have shown a bit of character and refused them and took a stance against all the molly coddling...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. You literally said...



Then...





Maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.

"Non-autistic people can struggle socially too" does not mean social interaction is not affected by autism. Nor does it disprove that Anne's autism has/had an effect on Anne's social life.

Like I said a master of manipulation..words taken out of context to suit your agenda. You do it all the time which is why I usually ignore you...I will just go back to doing that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Like I said a master of manipulation..words taken out of context to suit your agenda. You do it all the time which is why I usually ignore you...I will just go back to doing that.

So... ignoring the point and getting personal. Yeah, sounds like you too.

I'm not surprised you can't defend the viewpoint you offered, it's indefensible.

[Beastie]

We have seen a side to her that I didn't expect. She is a great asset to the show!

[Beastie]

So what if Anne does not do much around camp? Bet she's not the only one and there's not much to do around camp. Theres been many campmates who have not done much over the years.