[Josy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That all went out the window when schools became acadamies

I'm blaming Jamie Oliver tbh

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10

But you are taking this completely literally. Is what I meant, I know that taking the words exactly as said comes across that way. But IMO I am sure he did not mean the reason they do it is specifically so that the kids are blamed for the parents not being responsible..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Bread and butter though? That's stingy as hell

could have been Tiger bread

and they also got a Pink Lady


probably their first fruit of 2019

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly the idea that it's acceptable for a school of all places to single out, shame and punish CHILDREN for the mistakes of their parent is so totally alien to me that I don't even know where to start. And the "I'm sure they'll survive" quips are shortsighted, too. Kids are cruel and have long memories and these kids could easily be laughed at literally for the rest of their time in school for being "the bread and butter kids". It's nothing even close to being acceptable.

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately :S

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

I feel sorry for the kids they shouldn't have suffered due to the mother or the school IMO

What happened to the lovely jolly dinner ladies from years ago though?

The Dinner ladies at our primary would never have allowed a kid to go hungry, regardless of what the school said.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly the idea that it's acceptable for a school of all places to single out, shame and punish CHILDREN for the mistakes of their parent is so totally alien to me that I don't even know where to start. And the "I'm sure they'll survive" quips are shortsighted, too. Kids are cruel and have long memories and these kids could easily be laughed at literally for the rest of their time in school for being "the bread and butter kids". It's nothing even close to being acceptable.

..that’s so, so true...the type of thing that schools aim to prevent with children, of a child or family being singled out...?...the rule is awful and only aims to harm a child...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Bread and butter though? That's stingy as hell

And an apple. and drink

Not that much difference, but makes it slightly different/better

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately :S

...the cut off point if there has to be one for something that is a real issue and persistent etc...?...should still never include any denial of something to a child that all other children are receiving...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the cut off point if there has to be one for something that is a real issue and persistent etc...?...should still never include any denial of something to a child that all other children are receiving...

So there should not be a cutoff point then Its fine if you think that, I just don't see how schools could really afford to do this longterm, especially the larger ones who will have a fair few parents who see the chance to save cash and take the pee.

[Ammi]

...and they take pride that they have fresh salads every day...so a salad and grated cheese with the bread and butter would be adequate....

[Vicky.]

Oh yeah the salad bar thing I did not pick up on. if theres a salad bar, then of course theres spare of that so no harm in the kids getting that. A salad sandwich, an apple and a drink is probably the kind of thing some send their kids in with for packed lunch. Sure thats what our school ****ing wanted us to do day in day out, given their apparent hatred of anything sugary and salty, unless its the school dinners being chicken nuggets and chips followed by icecream

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So there should not be a cutoff point then Its fine if you think that, I just don't see how schools could really afford to do this longterm, especially the larger ones who will have a fair few parents who see the chance to save cash and take the pee.

...it’s not that there shouldn’t be one, I think I said that..if something has become an issue in terms of payment then I would expect a school to take action...against the parents though, not against the children...it is not the children who bare any responsibility for payment...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s not that there shouldn’t be one, I think I said that..if something has become an issue in terms of payment then I would expect a school to take action...against the parents though, not against the children...it is not the children who bare any responsibility for payment...

Yeah but, how would they take action, if they are also unable to get the debt to reduce, or even halt!

Its odd, I would have seen this the total opposite way around I think, had I not actually had kids and experienced the kind of cuts schools have going on these days :/ Would have just assumed everything was fine like it was when i was there, and there seemed to be an endless pot. Also had I not seen many parents willingly take advantage, leaving schools having to punish the many for the few..else have more taking the mick

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no actually you’re wrong, Livia...not every school is caring...schools are very much money making businesses now so they vary a lot but they do all have a duty of care ...which is not the same as ‘being caring’...and tbh ‘conjecture’ is not really relevant to this as that school will have had some food left over unless they’re a unique school like no other in the country...

We've heard nothing from the school. So anything we're saying about the school is all conjecture.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And an apple. and drink

Not that much difference, but makes it slightly different/better

I'd have been happy with a banana sandwich tbh

[Redway]

Got to agree with Ammi on this one.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I'd have been happy with a banana sandwich tbh

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

their family. they learned that family is famly and they are part of it

aslo that there mum was lazy and a liar to boot


every day is a school day

What debt lesson's of any value to young boys of that age though LT?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah but, how would they take action, if they are also unable to get the debt to reduce, or even halt!

Its odd, I would have seen this the total opposite way around I think, had I not actually had kids and experienced the kind of cuts schools have going on these days :/ Would have just assumed everything was fine like it was when i was there, and there seemed to be an endless pot. Also had I not seen many parents willingly take advantage, leaving schools having to punish the many for the few..else have more taking the mick

...well they would speak to the parent to see if payment was an issue..(..if it was an issue and a persistent thing..)...a text can’t cover that...and if it wasn’t an issue but just something that had been forgotten ..?...then arrange for the payment to be made, no need to deny the children a full lunchtime meal...if payment was an issue for whatever reason...then paying off what is owed in instalments would be an option for them to discuss...again no reason to deny the children a full lunchtime meal though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

What debt lesson's of any value to young boys of that age though LT?

is there a specific age to learn?

[Vicky.]

Ammi I think we should agree to disagree here. As its odd for us to be polar opposites but we seem to be, and also am a bit knackered and possibly cranky

Been different, being on opposite sides to you for once anyway

[Redway]

Wouldn't have killed anyone add a slice of ham on the bread like.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ammi I think we should agree to disagree here. As its odd for us to be polar opposites but we seem to be, and also am a bit knackered and possibly cranky

Been different, being on opposite sides to you for once anyway

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..yeah I’m quite tired myself actually, we’ll both agree to try to get an early night...that’s if you’re able to...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.;10536836[B

]But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately [/B]:S

Its always someone elses fault, in this case its the schools because she didnt pay her bill, who forgets to send their childs lunch money to school, its sort of ingrained in you, same as sending in their PE kit and making sure they have their book bag

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere?

Sure; several months behind and after having several private conversations with the parent to ensure that there isn't some sort of underlying financial struggle going on.

Refusing kids their lunch and handing out bread and butter in front of their peers over a debt of £18? That falls just a little bit short of a "reasonable cut off".

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sure; several months behind and after having several private conversations with the parent to ensure that there isn't some sort of underlying financial struggle going on.

Refusing kids their lunch and handing out bread and butter in front of their peers over a debt of £18? That falls just a little bit short of a "reasonable cut off".

..yeah I would definitely agree, TS...If it were a persistent amount owing and the school were concerned about it, it’s something they should have been discussing with the parents as to the best way to pay for the lunches....while obviously finding out if there were any financial worries or changes because that’s also something the school lady be able to help with...discreetly...


...the children should never have been denied a full meal and just be given what they were instead....a school would make a child feel different for the sum of £10..?....an awful policy....