[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump has a base of 30% and it doesn't matter what is said, they will always support him. The moment someone throws bigot or whatever generalised insult at them, the undecided then need to make a yes or no choice .... Is he a bigot or not. Throwing that term around is a cop out, there is much more chance of someone taking offence if they even slightly agree with Trump and are by association being classed as a bigot thus bringing more to the side of Trump.

Use reasoned argument, it's not so clear cut, people don't feel the need to join with and support "the bigot". It's non polarising, it avoids creating division.

At the moment, most of the dems are falling for it every time

In your first sentence you are kind of agreeing with TS that the 30% wont hear reasoned arguments. Define 'reasoned argument' please cuz I'm not sure what you mean. I hear alot of reasoned arguments answered by that 30% with outrageous bias.

Regarding anyone who aligns themselves with Donnies rhetoric. I dont deny there are immigration issues all over the world but to talk of an 'invasion' and 'infestation' I dont think reasonable people align themselves with such views.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

In your first sentence you are kind of agreeing with TS that the 30% wont hear reasoned arguments. Define 'reasoned argument' please cuz I'm not sure what you mean. I hear alot of reasoned arguments answered by that 30% with outrageous bias.

Regarding anyone who aligns themselves with Donnies rhetoric. I dont deny there are immigration issues all over the world but to talk of an 'invasion' and 'infestation' I dont think reasonable people align themselves with such views.

Lets start with the fact that bigot is a very generalised insult. It's not a term of endearment. The moment it is used it forces people to say no he is not or yes he is ... it polarising.

If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters

Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it

Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets start with the fact that bigot is a very generalised insult. It's not a term of endearment. The moment it is used it forces people to say no he is not or yes he is ... it polarising.

If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters

Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it

Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time.

This makes a bunch of assumptions. Are you talking specifically about Donnies immigration views? I agree with Trump on some issues - like draining the swamp and the ineffectiveness of congress - but its his rhetoric and bear baiting that disgusts me. I dont expect to be called a bigot for that and I dont think anyone has.

His views on immigration are indeed deliberately polarizing, I agree, He knows exactly what he's doing and he's stepping it up at the moment. I think if anyone aligns themselves with this disgusting way of describing people then questions need to asked. The name calling is too much but questions definitely need to be asked.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets start with the fact that bigot is a very generalised insult. It's not a term of endearment. The moment it is used it forces people to say no he is not or yes he is ... it polarising.

If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters

Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it

Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time.

It's not a generalised term, like every other word it has a specific dictionary definition.
Of course nobody is going to like being accused of being a bigot.. but if you say bigoted things then why is it wrong to highlight that? It appears to me that you would have to be very thin skinned not to even attempt to acknowledge that, why is it 'polarising'?
I think you're wrong he doesn't use those words to trigger dems... he does it to sit seeds of division,it dehumanises whichever group you want to alienate. ..the Nazis did it very effectively.
Nobody is calling Trump for making a point about immigration, which he could legitimately do, however it HIS use of polarising language and rhetoric that us causing untold damage as his words as president are very powerful. Instead of tempering his language to reflect his diplomatic status he insists on being inflammatory. As you say he lives to divide and polarise are they the actions of a right, fair and just president?