[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by James

Protests rarely change anything to policies in democracies. What does makes a difference is public opinion.

Ultimately it is about votes in elections; even when an election is a long way off, politicians (as much as we don't want to believe it) are conditioned to respond to shifts in public opinion.

For example the pro-EU rallies didn't reverse Brexit because they didn't demonstrate a change in public opinion - it was just the people who supported Remain before and were passionate about it out on the streets.

Violence and destructive protest can have a negative effect and it is usually unjust. You have to say it is often carried out by a minority, say, 10% out of a crowd of thousands.

I totally agree with this and when innocent people and animals are targetted they lose any support I have of them, people were are board but now some are not ,simply because of the violence ,some people are now saying its more to do with Brexit now and the remainers and a kick against the Tories being in power, ,probably not true but its out there and like a lot of untruths will be believed by some,also there is the problem of this virus, they could be killing others who aren't even there, I get people are frustrated and passionate,I just dont think this is the right way to go.Shame the cause is getting lost because of the thugs out there with nothing better to do.

[Zizu]

So if these protests are breaking civil unrest and social distancing regulations and the protests are all arranged for today as well why aren’t they prosecuting all the organisers of the events ?

Surely they’re guilty of inciting or encouraging the behaviour?


Will this carry on every day now or just weekends ?


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[Liam-]

These protests are most definitely not about Brexit

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

These protests are most definitely not about Brexit

Definitely not, I agree.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So if these protests are breaking civil unrest and social distancing regulations and the protests are all arranged for today as well why aren’t they prosecuting all the organisers of the events ?

Surely they’re guilty of inciting or encouraging the behaviour?


Will this carry on every day now or just weekends ?


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our PM Rutte would never ban the rights to protest, in a democracy you Always have a right to protest, is his opinion

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

our PM Rutte would never ban the rights to protest, in a democracy you Always have a right to protest, is his opinion

There shouldn’t be any protests when we’re in a pandemic situation.

We are thought to be in the second wave in Manchester where the R is now at 1.1 ( possibly as high as 1.3) yet 15,000 people crammed into Manchester City centre yesterday !!


Peaceful protests are fine .. normally.. but the London protest ended up in violent scenes and will probably be the same today , I fear .




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[bots]

in 2 weeks time, when the numbers increase again in hospitals where all the protests were held, the government will blame the people. Yes, it's a valid protest, but a lot of people are being reckless at the same time

[Liam-]

They’ll blame the protests and ignore the street parties and the mass gathering on beaches and the hordes of people in public parks inspired by their own incompetence with Cummings, they’ll very happily blame the people defending black people

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There shouldn’t be any protests when we’re in a pandemic situation.

We are thought to be in the second wave in Manchester where the R is now at 1.1 ( possibly as high as 1.3) yet 15,000 people crammed into Manchester City centre yesterday !!


Peaceful protests are fine .. normally.. but the London protest ended up in violent scenes and will probably be the same today , I fear .




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just don't make it too crowded, enough distance between each other, and face masks also being a MUST of course

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair to Ms Heard, while the bolded part is undeniably true having heard the audio recordings... let's not go down the incelly route of painting the situation as poor, meek, defenseless Depp being a cowering victim of Amber Heard. If you actually follow that whole thing (without blinkered preconceptions) it becomes quickly obvious that the entire relationship was a dumpster fire, there were substance abuse (at least alcohol) issues all round, and they were abusive and violent to each other from the start.

The only part where Depp comes off better, is that he identified how unhealthy it all was earlier, and basically said "we can't keep doing this... we should probably break up... the violence definitely has to stop" and Heard was like "Nah, don't wanna" ... which is an interesting choice certainly.


Off track I guess - I'm not defending her just pointing out that they were both a disaster. Either way not someone you want representing your cause.

Totally agree with this. I think they abused each other basically.

I don't think her comments were racist either. At all.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I totally agree with this and when innocent people and animals are targetted they lose any support I have of them, people were are board but now some are not ,simply because of the violence ,some people are now saying its more to do with Brexit now and the remainers and a kick against the Tories being in power, ,probably not true but its out there and like a lot of untruths will be believed by some,also there is the problem of this virus, they could be killing others who aren't even there, I get people are frustrated and passionate,I just dont think this is the right way to go.Shame the cause is getting lost because of the thugs out there with nothing better to do.

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

[Samm]

Horses shouldn’t be used by the police in an environment when things could get hostile anyway. They’re the ones putting them at risk.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They’ll blame the protests and ignore the street parties and the mass gathering on beaches and the hordes of people in public parks inspired by their own incompetence with Cummings, they’ll very happily blame the people defending black people

To be fair, big open spaces in the sun are a lot less "contagious" than everyone cramming into a city.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

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The cause is being ‘lost’ by people that either never understood it or never wanted to understand it

[arista]

Well Done the USA Atlanta Mayor
telling all protestors to get a Covid-19 test.


She was live on CNN HD

[The Slim Reaper]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s funny how people are willing to turn a blind eye to vandalism and assaults because they happen while people protesting.
The law has to apply to everyone regardless of how deserving you think the cause is.
It’s the police who keep you safe without them you would be at the mercy of criminals.

They are far from perfect but without them the streets would run red with blood

It’s the police that face violence every day of the week they have wife’s and kids at home who love them.

A black man kills a white man and his defence is white people are racist, do we turn round and say, ok that’s fine your free to go because that’s how lots of people on here have that mentality that a crime is justified because other crimes are happening.

We wouldn't have the civil rights we have now if our predecessors didn't fight for them, civil obedience doesn't lead to change, it never has.

Your weird non-existent example is just pure white martyrdom.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

Exactly, the same people who think like this will always trot out the 'few bad apples' line too in regards to the police.

If someone is looking for any reason to disparage a cause then, like as you said, they never supported the cause in the first place.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair, big open spaces in the sun are a lot less "contagious" than everyone cramming into a city.

And how many people on the beach were wearing masks, compared to those at the protest?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We wouldn't have the civil rights we have now if our predecessors didn't fight for them, civil obedience doesn't lead to change, it never has.

Your weird non-existent example is just pure white martyrdom.

If you think words are not needed but actions get on the streets!, but the truth is you are just another arm chair protester.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Samm

And how many people on the beach were wearing masks, compared to those at the protest?

I didn't count, feel free to check

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't count, feel free to check

No I’ve got better things to do, maybe have a better sense of common sense before you post

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Samm

No I’ve got better things to do, maybe have a better sense of common sense before you post

Common sense says that open spaces + sunshine are better than cramped streets, mask or no masks.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Common sense says that open spaces + sunshine are better than cramped streets, mask or no masks.

Common sense also says that people fighting for their civil rights is a valid excuse to protest and says even more that people are willing to do so in pandemic. More valid then sitting on a beach for no good reason

[bots]

i don't think i have ever seen so much virtue signalling in one place before