[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

She converses with the transpeople that agree with her

Children aren’t allowed to transition, you have to be 18 to transition, puberty blockers that are given are completely reversible and gives questioning children time to come to terms with whatever they are, but they’re not handed out like candy like JK and the like seem to think they are

Well, tbf, the trans activists who are the ones with an issue with her statements don't really want a debate. They shout TERF and shut down anyone who doesn't just trot out their previously agreed phrases. If you even slightly question their demands or offer a nuanced discussion of it you're immediately a TERF. Probably why Emma Watson didn't offer any input to the discussion in any detail, just tweeted one sentence to please everyone for fear of backlash.

There's wrong on both sides, but I personally have no time for the extreme activists who want their way or no way in regards to any issue and to hell with everyone else and their views or needs.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, tbf, the trans activists who are the ones with an issue with her statements don't really want a debate. They shout TERF and shut down anyone who doesn't just trot out their previously agreed phrases. If you even slightly question their demands or offer a nuanced discussion of it you're immediately a TERF. Probably why Emma Watson didn't offer any input to the discussion in any detail, just tweeted one sentence to please everyone for fear of backlash.

There's wrong on both sides, but I personally have no time for the extreme activists who want their way or no way in regards to any issue and to hell with everyone else and their views or needs.

The extreme ones are horrifying tbf, they’re very militant, but then how are people meant to feel if people are trying to devalue their existence? Then on the other hand, look at the response Margaret Atwood is getting for believing in the opposite of JK, it’s just as bad. However there are many level headed trans people she could discuss things with, Paris Lees for one, Monroe Burgdof is another one, she just doesn’t come across as someone who is willing to hear that people think she’s wrong, even if they’re respectful, I mean, she tweeted her admiration for someone and then deleted it and unfollowed him because he told someone he supported trans rights, she does herself no favours and often comes across as a standard bigot

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The extreme ones are horrifying tbf, they’re very militant, but then how are people meant to feel if people are trying to devalue their existence? Then on the other hand, look at the response Margaret Atwood is getting for believing in the opposite of JK, it’s just as bad. However there are many level headed trans people she could discuss things with, Paris Lees for one, Monroe Burgdof is another one, she just doesn’t come across as someone who is willing to hear that people think she’s wrong, even if they’re respectful, I mean, she tweeted her admiration for someone and then deleted it and unfollowed him because he told someone he supported trans rights, she does herself no favours and often comes across as a standard bigot

Tbf, I feel her problem with people like Stephen King is the same as mine, offering no input to a discussion but the pre-approved phrase that doesn't actually add anything. Just like Emma Watson, he may have posted nothing at all considering all he added to it. The discussion is too complex to be a "trans women are women" or even a "trans women are trans women" type of thing. And their kind of posturing doesn't help.

But I completely agree on any kind of militant activist, it destroys any actual progress for anyone.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbf, I feel her problem with people like Stephen King is the same as mine, offering no input to a discussion but the pre-approved phrase that doesn't actually add anything. Just like Emma Watson, he may have posted nothing at all considering all he added to it. The discussion is too complex to be a "trans women are women" or even a "trans women are trans women" type of thing. And their kind of posturing doesn't help.



But I completely agree on any kind of militant activist, it destroys any actual progress for anyone.

I definitely agree with that. There is currently -- no one -- more dangerous to genuine trans people than people on the extreme fringes of trans rights and those who refuse to see that some purported transwomen are in fact problematic fetishists. They're right there in front of your face. They know fine well these individuals exist. They just think admitting it would be damaging when, ironically, it's the dogma and refusal to explore the issues that's going to end up absolutely decimating decades of progress when the bubble bursts.