[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where did I say that?

I said doing things that are routinely labelled as mysoginist is not feminist.

I pointed out she was being submissve because you said she'd flipped it on its head by being the dominant.

Doing what things... Sex? that's been going for a while Marsh. Look at the Karma Sutra. Some things give greater pleasure to one more than the other.
You did say that as she sings about being submissive its fine but not feminist..why isn't it?

She flipped the whole issue for me... misogyny is about control, if you take back control it ceases to be misogyny ergo it can't possibly be misogyny any longer can it?
New or otherwise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Doing what things... Sex? that's been going for a while Marsh. Look at the Karma Sutra. Some things give greater pleasure to one more than the other.

Erm.... no Kizzy. You've completely changed the discussion.

Nobody was discussing whether sex is or is not feminist.

We're discussing whether music, lyrics and videos of this nature in pop culture can be taken as feminism or misogyny, or neither.

When did what people do in the privacy of their own sex lives become the debate? We're discussing music she has put out onto a public stage, not what she likes doing with her boyfriend.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You did say that as she sings about being submissive its fine but not feminist..why isn't it?

She flipped the whole issue for me... misogyny is about control, if you take back control it ceases to be misogyny ergo it can't possibly be misogyny any longer can it?
New or otherwise.

I didn't say being submissive makes it not feminist. I responded to a point you made about her taking back control and being the dominant. All I said was the lyrics suggest she's submitting herself to the man.

Saying it ceases to be misogyny because the woman is objectifying herself is just not true. Women can be misogynistic too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm.... no Kizzy. You've completely changed the discussion.

Nobody was discussing whether sex is or is not feminist.

We're discussing whether music, lyrics and videos of this nature in pop culture can be taken as feminism or misogyny, or neither.

When did what people do in the privacy of their own sex lives become the debate? We're discussing music she has put out onto a public stage, not what she likes doing with her boyfriend.



I didn't say being submissive makes it not feminist. I responded to a point you made about her taking back control and being the dominant. All I said was the lyrics suggest she's submitting herself to the man.

Saying it ceases to be misogyny because the woman is objectifying herself is just not true. Women can be misogynistic too.

Look at you facepalming me telling me what you can and acan't discuss here. .. bahahaha!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Look at you facepalming me telling me what you can and acan't discuss here. .. bahahaha!

Erm... telling you what you can and can't discuss? Where? I corrected you on you completely misrepresenting a point I made.

Seems like you got uppity at the emoji and didn't actually read anything at all.

Oh well.