[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

But it's how you interpret some of the comments made. You said "wrong side of the tracks" "tradition" "bloodline" none of them suggest racism to me? "bloodline" could but i think it's more to do with her being American, non upper class etc.

I wasn't around for it, but didn't Fergie get absolutely destroyed by the press for being 'a bit rough around edges'?

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

It’s certainly debatable whether she had any intentions of staying in the UK to begin with.
The racism was bigged up as part of her excuse to get her own way.
Never mind old Trump, guns galore and far worse racism. Off we go Harry!

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by jet

It’s certainly debatable whether she had any intentions of staying in the UK to begin with.
The racism was bigged up as part of her excuse to get her own way.
Never mind old Trump, guns galore and far worse racism. Off we go Harry!

Prime example of an irrational thought process.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Prime example of an irrational thought process.

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jet

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes.

And Harry's choice in women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jet

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes.

Its to keep the victim narrative (just like with her poor father)

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by jet

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes.

Whatever jet I’m literally bored to tears with you trying to justify your irrationality.

They didn’t want to leave the uk because of racism although that was part of the reason. It was the increasingly erratic abuse they were getting from the media and the sheep that blindly consume it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Whatever jet I’m literally bored to tears with you trying to justify your irrationality.

They didn’t want to leave the uk because of racism although that was part of the reason. It was the increasingly erratic abuse they were getting from the media and the sheep that blindly consume it.

You are saying the same thing I did there.
I'm glad you are bored - does that mean you won't respond to my posts anymore? (Please say yes.)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

...for Meghan it obviously wasn’t and isn’t a bigger issue in the USA, isn’t that one of the points ...it’s not really for us to say to those who have personal experiences of racism, where the biggest issue is in their lives, because the biggest issue is where and when they’re experiencing that prejudice...so it’s only for those people themselves to say, not anyone else...

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

But again, if you're looking for racism you'll find it, even when it's not necessarily there. "exotic blood" could certainly suggest a racial undercurrent, in turn it could also suggest her 'american ism' Our press are dramatic to say the least, anyone outside the British Isles could easily be considered "exotic" by our sensationalist press. It's this strange Island mentality we have.

Im not saying it didn't have any racist undercurrents, but it's fair to look at this from every angle.

Their child would have been hounded by our press, problem is he'll also be hounded by the LA press too. Very, very strange place to set up home when you're 'wanting out' of the limelight, but that's been covered to death.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

But again, if you're looking for racism you'll find it, even when it's not necessarily there. "exotic blood" could certainly suggest a racial undercurrent, in turn it could also suggest her 'american ism' Our press are dramatic to say the least, anyone outside the British Isles could easily be considered "exotic" by our sensationalist press. It's this strange Island mentality we have.

Im not saying it didn't have any racist undercurrents, but it's fair to look at this from every angle.

Their child would have been hounded by our press, problem is he'll also be hounded by the LA press too. Very, very strange place to set up home when you're 'wanting out' of the limelight, but that's been covered to death.

...I’m not looking for racism, Swan...people don’t look for racism, it finds its own targets to level its prejudice at...I also tend to look whichever way and whichever angle, etc in forming my own personal thoughts...and never in my entire life have I had American described as ‘exotic’...other than with Meghan ...and he mother described as ... ‘a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks’ which is most definitely a racist comment to have been made...

...with Archie..?...it’s also not about ‘hounding’ it’s again about a very racist inference that was ‘joked’ about him on social media...not a really encouraging beginning to his little life...and possibly an ‘ending’ for Harry and Meghan...

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m not looking for racism, Swan...people don’t look for racism, it finds its own targets to level its prejudice at...I also tend to look whichever way and whichever angle, etc in forming my own personal thoughts...and never in my entire life have I had American described as ‘exotic’...other than with Meghan ...and he mother described as ... ‘a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks’ which is most definitely a racist comment to have been made...

...with Archie..?...it’s also not about ‘hounding’ it’s again about a very racist inference that was ‘joked’ about him on social media...not a really encouraging beginning to his little life...and possibly an ‘ending’ for Harry and Meghan...

I wasn't saying you Ammi, more the royal (sic) 'you'. As for the 'African American lady' comment, yeah i don't get why a persons skin colour/nationality needs to be mention in anything other than when looking for a crime suspect (white/black/brown asian male etc)

The tweet was stupid, if you believe him, then it was clumsy. But really? A tweet had something to do with them up and leaving the Country, i very much doubt it.

A lot of criticism comes from them wanting away from the limelight, then go and move to the limelight capital of the world. The fact they don't want to Royals, yet want to keep their Royal titles. Their telling people to do bit for the environment, whilst flying all over the world in private jets. Their opportunistic charity work. I could go on. I don't hate them, they're just another typical over privileged, deluded Hollywood 'it' couple now. Plenty of them, nothing new. Not liking them isn't irrational, and yeah i've never read the word 'irrational' so many times, in such a short amount of time, Cherie's right

Im going close my argument here, as you, quite rightly stated this morning, all this debating is pointless now, it's been done to death. Some people like them some people don't.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

I wasn't saying you Ammi, more the royal (sic) 'you'. As for the 'African American lady' comment, yeah i don't get why a persons skin colour/nationality needs to be mention in anything other than when looking for a crime suspect (white/black/brown asian male etc)

The tweet was stupid, if you believe him, then it was clumsy. But really? A tweet had something to do with them up and leaving the Country, i very much doubt it.

A lot of criticism comes from them wanting away from the limelight, then go and move to the limelight capital of the world. The fact they don't want to Royals, yet want to keep their Royal titles. Their telling people to do bit for the environment, whilst flying all over the world in private jets. Their opportunistic charity work. I could go on. I don't hate them, they're just another typical over privileged, deluded Hollywood 'it' couple now. Plenty of them, nothing new. Not liking them isn't irrational, and yeah i've never read the word 'irrational' so many times, in such a short amount of time, Cherie's right

Im going close my argument here, as you, quite rightly stated this morning, all this debating is pointless now, it's been done to death. Some people like them some people don't.

....... we don’t know really what ‘the final straw’ was, Swan...what completely moulded their decision as it were... because these things generally have many, many layers before such a life changing decision is made...I think the ‘lime light’ thing is a manipulation of words as well../ a slanting....because as far as I recall, it was more to feel as though they had more control of their own lives and not have to live such a public life of duty, which being a senior Royal involves and those duties in themselves opened up that criticism so much for the media to lay..what did Meghan wear, what did she say, did she give a strange look and etc etc......the private jets..?...yeah, that’s how those Royals roll......because they’re obviously a high security risk, so that’s the safest option ...and so many people are ‘hypocrites’ because they care to preserve the environment that we live in and yet they travel overseas and quite frequently for some with holidays and work related things etc ...(...well not so much atm, I know...)...we are all hypocrites, every single one of us with no exceptions...I agree with you completely, Swan..(...yayyyyyy......)...this is the most I think that Ive given thought with a ‘Meghan’ thread for a while because I don’t find them very productive or healthy in how they revolve and revolve in circles with nothing new being added for debate...(...if debate is applicable, that is..)...