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[arista]

She was just interviewed on
Times Radio DAB (and free on internet)



[Joan Bakewell, 87, crowdfunds legal challenge
against government's decision to delay second Pfizer jab
for up to a million pensioners to 12 weeks - despite
evidence it should be 21 days.]

[Officials in the UK decided last month to
use all available doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech
and Oxford/AstraZeneca jabs, to get a single dose
to as many people as possible.
In the process they will leave people waiting up to
12 weeks for their second jab.
The gap between jabs was initially meant
to be only three weeks.]



[Pfizer warned last month there was 'no data' to
show a single dose of its vaccine provided
long-term protection, while the World Health Organisation
refused to back the U-turn.]



Joan herself has had the 2 Injections
so she is doing this legal fight for her mates.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fizer-jab.html

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

CNN)A leading Chinese Covid-19 vaccine developed by Sinovac Biotech was just 50.38% effective in late-stage trials in Brazil, significantly lower than earlier results showed, according to a statement published by the government of Sao Paulo Tuesday.

While the number exceeds the threshold required for regulatory approval, it falls far below the 78% previously announced, raising questions as to the veracity of the data and fueling skepticism over the apparent lack of transparency regarding Chinese vaccines.


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This is so on-brand for Chinese products, like laptops you see on Wish... "Super Fast Quantum i7 Laptop 16gb MEMORY ultra OLED" and then someone cracks it open and it's a Celeron from 2005 jammed inside a cheap new case .

"Super BEST vaccine 78% defeat Covid all traces!!"

[user104658]

Side effects update for Cherie as she kept asking:

My wife had;

Immediately after vaccine - sore, stiff arm at vaccination site (found changing gears on the drive home hard, etc)

Rest of that day - had to go for a nap/"feeling the cold" into the evening

Day 2: a little tired/nauseous but not enough to stay off work or anything so very minor.

Day 3+: totally fine.



So reports all good thus far . A coworker of hers however (who is in her mid 50's, dunno if that's relevant) had a temperature and felt very sick and had to take two days off, but fine after that. This is also second hand info so it's possible her coworker just fancied some time off and was sat with Netflix and popcorn .

[AnnieK]

My friends mum had it (aged 73). She reported sore, stiff arm, muzzy headache and a bit flu loke the day after. Fine after 2 days. I guess its like any vaccine. My dad has the flu vaccine every year and some years he has no side effects, other times he feels rotten for a few days after.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My friends mum had it (aged 73). She reported sore, stiff arm, muzzy headache and a bit flu loke the day after. Fine after 2 days. I guess its like any vaccine. My dad has the flu vaccine every year and some years he has no side effects, other times he feels rotten for a few days after.

No side effect usually means no immune response, which usually means immunity is already present... So the years when he has no side effects its likely that his vaccine from the previous year is still giving protection.

Interestingly, on the natural immunity front, one of my wife's friends who got the vaccine had no side effects at all - but she tested positive for antibodies when her whole workplace was tested back in September. She had never had symptoms so she must have had asymptomatic Covid at some point. But having no immune response to the vaccine is interesting as it does mean she most likely still has antibodies from that exposure.

She works in a care home and something like 30% of the staff tested positive for antibodies when only a couple of them had ever had any symptoms .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No side effect usually means no immune response, which usually means immunity is already present... So the years when he has no side effects its likely that his vaccine from the previous year is still giving protection.

Interestingly, on the natural immunity front, one of my wife's friends who got the vaccine had no side effects at all - but she tested positive for antibodies when her whole workplace was tested back in September. She had never had symptoms so she must have had asymptomatic Covid at some point. But having no immune response to the vaccine is interesting as it does mean she most likely still has antibodies from that exposure.

She works in a care home and something like 30% of the staff tested positive for antibodies when only a couple of them had ever had any symptoms .

Ah, that's interesting and makes sense TS. I didn't know that so thanks for the info

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Side effects update for Cherie as she kept asking:

My wife had;

Immediately after vaccine - sore, stiff arm at vaccination site (found changing gears on the drive home hard, etc)

Rest of that day - had to go for a nap/"feeling the cold" into the evening

Day 2: a little tired/nauseous but not enough to stay off work or anything so very minor.

Day 3+: totally fine.



So reports all good thus far . A coworker of hers however (who is in her mid 50's, dunno if that's relevant) had a temperature and felt very sick and had to take two days off, but fine after that. This is also second hand info so it's possible her coworker just fancied some time off and was sat with Netflix and popcorn .

Cheers my aunt had the Pfizer one yesterday and just sore arm so far

[bots]

the 2nd jab seems to affect people the most with a fair proportion feeling feverish

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the 2nd jab seems to affect people the most with a fair proportion feeling feverish

Yes the first one seems to give decent antibody levels so when the second one hits there's a robust immune response (fever and fatigue). I don't think there's been any examples of particularly bad response so far though, the only concerning listed side effect is severe allergic reaction / anaphylactic shock, and if that's going to happen it will happen immediately (which is why they make you hang around for 15 mins after ANY vaccination).

[arista]

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is so on-brand for Chinese products, like laptops you see on Wish... "Super Fast Quantum i7 Laptop 16gb MEMORY ultra OLED" and then someone cracks it open and it's a Celeron from 2005 jammed inside a cheap new case .

"Super BEST vaccine 78% defeat Covid all traces!!"

Exactly why we need to stop buying from them its a right con ~ most of the wish stuff is~ and they are responsible for every nutter ownung a stun gun torch at under a tenner !

[Cherie]

3.2 first dose vaccines administered

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

3.2 first dose vaccines administered

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well

[Vanessa]

A new vaccination centre has just opened in Wembley

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well

1.6 million in the last week, that pretty good, but will speed up yet i think

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well

Oh yeah

[Ammi]

More mass vaccination centres opening as target to reach 2m jabs a week appears within reach...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/more-mass-...021500805.html

[Ammi]

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...




Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-thr...154924350.html

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...









Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...





https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-thr...154924350.html

The obvious option is to vaccinate their own staff first then ring nearby surgeries / hospitals to give their staff the chance of a vaccination rather than dumping them .


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...




Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-thr...154924350.html

Not according to Simon Stevens on Marr all GPs should have a reserves list from the top 4 priority groups or staff to call on short notice if any vaccines are left over

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not according to Simon Stevens on Marr all GPs should have a reserves list from the top 4 priority groups or staff to call on short notice if any vaccines are left over

Is your Aunt ok after having her jab Cherie?