[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But Remy... "Nobody is being transphobic - just relax and love it."

Maybe you can see it better flipped, I don't know.

Your post was aimed at people who you personally have decided are in your opinion transphobic, not an objective category of "transphobic people"... and not aimed at people who have concerns that you believe to be genuine, not an objective category of people with genuine concerns.

I think that's an important distinction to make and the root of the disagreement here, but other than that I'm sure we can leave it there.

The root of disagreement is that, again, I was not mentionning anybody specifically ON THIS GOD DAMN THREAD OR FORUM but it was somehow decided otherwise. How can that be any clearer? God damn it. You just do not accept any of my justification.

Transhobia is very clear with clear motives. All I said to transphobic people is: try to be more accepting and don't be threatened by transpeople.
Again, not at people are NOT transphobic and have genuine concerns about it like most lovely members on this forum.
You know what, next time I will keep my message of tolerance and loving each other to myself since it's a big problem. Can I just add that some people read this forum, member or not, and I thought it was cute to tell some of them who MIGHT be transphobic (in accordance to objective facts) that transpeople are not to be worried about and there's no reason to be fearful.

And also, just because I work with LGBT+ communities does not mean I'm insensitive to what women feel. I had very interesting conversations with Vicky last night and other people about surgeries, access to same sex places etc Trying to dig deeper into it. I guess that's all for nothing.

I have to go to the local shelter, have a lovely weekend everyone! And love each other

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum.

To which you replied

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And I couldn't have said it any better than you have.

It seems that lately it's always the threads about sexuality and gender that trigger the most heated conversations and obvious ignorance.

Some people really feel fragile and threatened when it comes to how others live their lives. Just move on and accept others for what they are, it really is not hard. Nobody is attacking or threatening you, just relax and love it.

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The root of disagreement is that, again, I was not mentionning anybody specifically ON THIS GOD DAMN THREAD OR FORUM but it was somehow decided otherwise. How can that be any clearer? God damn it. You just do not accept any of my justification.

I don't accept your justification because it's the internet and, the annoying thing about the internet is, you don't have to "remember what was said" you can just go back and look. It's patently obvious that you were at least initially talking about threads on this forum .

If you didn't mean this forum then I'm not sure, given the above, you can really get frustrated at anyone else for the misunderstanding? Be more careful what you wholeheartedly agree with if... you don't? And if you do, don't try to backpedal.

[Ammi]

...that’s really unfair and shabby when Remy went on to explain and expand and clarify...he’s made many very considered posts throughout the thread but this where we’re at so ‘conversations must be had’ isn’t really the place it’s at, it seems....I’m gone.../...just shabby...

[user104658]

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[Ammi]

...so patronising and all so conducive of encouraging open conversation/discussion and not shutting down...

[Ammi]

...don’t worry about the edit, TS...really I’m a grown up and I’m sure I’ve had much, much more patronising...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so patronising and all so conducive of encouraging open conversation/discussion and not shutting down...

I edited it almost as soon as I posted it because it's not part of this thread... I guess the most respectful way to put it, Ammi, is to say that I don't want to argue with you (or anyone) about other people's posts or opinions. This isn't the first time so I'm just not going to do it any more. Let people fight their own corner.

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Remy