[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

i have no idea what the actual sequence of events were, but we need to some proper reporting on it before an honest conclusion or opinion can be reached.

I agree to an extent but honestly when two clans of violent, reactionary individuals are clashing and the argument amounts to "ReeEEeEEeeee!! Go 'wayy!! Get oudda heeeere! We don't like uuu!!!" I'm fairly comfortable in assuming that it's just that. Two flavours of sheep bleating at each other. Both think they're in the right. Both are mostly full of ****. Half of both are in it for the fight more than the cause.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree to an extent but honestly when two clans of violent, reactionary individuals are clashing and the argument amounts to "ReeEEeEEeeee!! Go 'wayy!! Get oudda heeeere! We don't like uuu!!!" I'm fairly comfortable in assuming that it's just that. Two flavours of sheep bleating at each other. Both think they're in the right. Both are mostly full of ****. Half of both are in it for the fight more than the cause.

The least accurate thing you can say about the group that's supposedly pro-male genitals in girls faces, is that it's a reactionary position.

I absolutely agree with the bit in bold though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The least accurate thing you can say about the group that's supposedly pro-male genitals in girls faces, is that it's a reactionary position.

I absolutely agree with the bit in bold though.

Of course it's reactrionary; it's a pre-scripted stock reaction to an expected set of events. There is no thought, there is no rationale, and these groups have a lot (a LOT) more in common than they do setting them apart. That's the most worrying part. The idea that these represent different ends of a spectrum... they don't. They're different flavours of the same brand of ice-cream, and it would take a lot (a lot, lot, lot) to convince me that the people with the masks, placards and loudspeakers don't have a hell of a lot more of the features of reactionary conservatism than they do anything remotely resembling progressives/liberalism. It's BS. It's a reactionary conservative mindset that happens to be infused with a different set of core values - the people involved are generally very young. This is their conservatism, and the groups seen in these videos are ALL employing the tactics of facism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course it's reactrionary; it's a pre-scripted stock reaction to an expected set of events. There is no thought, there is no rationale, and these groups have a lot (a LOT) more in common than they do setting them apart. That's the most worrying part. The idea that these represent different ends of a spectrum... they don't. They're different flavours of the same brand of ice-cream, and it would take a lot (a lot, lot, lot) to convince me that the people with the masks, placards and loudspeakers don't have a hell of a lot more of the features of reactionary conservatism than they do anything remotely resembling progressives/liberalism. It's BS. It's a reactionary conservative mindset that happens to be infused with a different set of core values - the people involved are generally very young. This is their conservatism, and the groups seen in these videos are ALL employing the tactics of facism.

I think we're working from different definitions of reactionary. I agree with pretty much everything else you wrote after the initial definition, but I disagree that any movement that doesn't yet have full recognition could ever be conserved.

There are plenty of other useable descriptors we would probably agree on without any hassle, such as puritanical.