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Effects of Brexit truly starting to hit now. It’s quite worrying and only going to get worse.
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Effects of Brexit truly starting to hit now. It’s quite worrying and only going to get worse.

But it's well known
the HGV licences were Halted at the Start of Covid-19

Of course Foreign Drivers have gone home
but they also have shortage in Europe

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Effects of Brexit truly starting to hit now. It’s quite worrying and only going to get worse.
It’s a bump in the road ts it’s not a terminal cancer diagnosis

The roads are full of idiots on racing’s bikes these days instead of them thinking they are doing the Tour de France they can go to work or shops on them

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It’s a bump in the road ts it’s not a terminal cancer diagnosis

The roads are full of idiots on racing’s bikes these days instead of them thinking they are doing the Tour de France they can go to work or shops on them
I'm not talking about the petrol specifically, I'm talking about the HGV goods transport crisis that is ongoing and escalating. All of the smaller issues are just symptoms of that larger one.
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I'm not talking about the petrol specifically, I'm talking about the HGV goods transport crisis that is ongoing and escalating. All of the smaller issues are just symptoms of that larger one.
If there is money to be made truck drivers will just switch my brother in law drives a hi ab hgv for travis

I can drive an hgv so can my brother if it gets that bad people will switch jobs
It’s not like there is going to be no one around maybe more women will drive hgv’s

There are plenty of women already driving hgv horse boxes
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you can name any number of things that are affected by a driver shortage. The crucial point is that there is not a supply shortage, there is a delay in goods arriving, which is manageable in 99% of cases. Obviously high demand for something in a hotspot will lead to a shortage, but so what. The media are making the problem worse. Get everyone into a panic about a shortage so that they rush out and buy and create a shortage. Honestly, the media have so much to answer for. They have always been bad, but since covid arrived, they have been completely irresponsible
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Effects of Brexit truly starting to hit now. It’s quite worrying and only going to get worse.
Do we need those unelected rich people to hold our hands and do things and organise things for us.

Are us people in the UK really that incapable of functioning.

How come other non EU countries can function, but we're incapable? What's so special about us?
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People who supported brexit were actually just supporting better tax treatment for the rich. You act like this is some great movement of independence but you voted to lick the feet of the rich and to put everyone's rights at risk. Well done. Be sure to lick inbetween the toes, you don't want to make your masters mad!
The thing is, the only person stopping you from moving to live inside the EU, is you. Our country decided it doesn't want to, but nobody is stopping you.
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The thing is, the only person stopping you from moving to live inside the EU, is you. Our country decided it doesn't want to, but nobody is stopping you.
Brexit/leaving the EU meant an end to free movement for residence/work within Europe ... that was a pretty big part of the whole deal. So this is all just... incorrect. A British citizen can't just decide to up sticks and live in mainland Europe. You could have before Brexit. You now cannot.

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People who supported brexit were actually just supporting better tax treatment for the rich. You act like this is some great movement of independence but you voted to lick the feet of the rich and to put everyone's rights at risk. Well done. Be sure to lick inbetween the toes, you don't want to make your masters mad!
Maybe alfs rich as well.
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Do we need those unelected rich people to hold our hands and do things and organise things for us.

Are us people in the UK really that incapable of functioning.

How come other non EU countries can function, but we're incapable? What's so special about us?
The problem isn't "not having the EU" or being unable to organise it, it's that we WERE in the EU for so long and then, on top of that, that the UK government failed to properly prepare for Brexit once they knew it was happening.

It's not that we "can't" have enough UK-based HGV drivers... it's just that we currently don't. A large chunk of our HGV capacity was staffed by European drivers who now no longer want to haul in the UK because there's so much red tape it isn't worth it for them. Yes we will EVENTUALLY overcome that blip but in the meantime, pretending it isn't a big (and increasing) problem doesn't do anyone any good.

Even the most ardent Brexit supporter should be pissed off about situations like this - we had years to address these upcoming problems between the Brexit vote and the actual implementation of Brexit. Years to consider the lack of HGV drivers. Years to consider the lack of Nursing staff, etc... the government continually kicked those issues into the long grass, pretending it wasn't going to be a problem. And here we are, late 2021... it is becoming a problem. We don't need them to be having a focus on training up more HGV drivers "now" - we needed them to do that as soon as we knew we'd be losing workers from the EU. 5 years ago.
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The problem isn't "not having the EU" or being unable to organise it, it's that we WERE in the EU for so long and then, on top of that, that the UK government failed to properly prepare for Brexit once they knew it was happening.

It's not that we "can't" have enough UK-based HGV drivers... it's just that we currently don't. A large chunk of our HGV capacity was staffed by European drivers who now no longer want to haul in the UK because there's so much red tape it isn't worth it for them. Yes we will EVENTUALLY overcome that blip but in the meantime, pretending it isn't a big (and increasing) problem doesn't do anyone any good.

Even the most ardent Brexit supporter should be pissed off about situations like this - we had years to address these upcoming problems between the Brexit vote and the actual implementation of Brexit. Years to consider the lack of HGV drivers. Years to consider the lack of Nursing staff, etc... the government continually kicked those issues into the long grass, pretending it wasn't going to be a problem. And here we are, late 2021... it is becoming a problem. We don't need them to be having a focus on training up more HGV drivers "now" - we needed them to do that as soon as we knew we'd be losing workers from the EU. 5 years ago.
You can be pi55ed off about things, but to blame it on brexit is just taking short cuts, the easy way out, making excuses.

There's swings and roundabouts.
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He says, while making excuses for the damage that Brexit has caused.

I know denying reality is your thing, Alf, but denial does nothing. We're in this mess because of uninformed dumbasses operating on their base instincts and voting against their own interests.
Yeah, let's put you in charge Dezzy.

You've basically been calling for apartheid in our country, from the vaxed and the unvaxed. You want people to never be allowed medical treatment. You've called for deprogrammimg human beings.
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Yeah, let's put you in charge Dezzy.

You've basically been calling for apartheid in our country, from the vaxed and the unvaxed. You want people to never be allowed medical treatment. You've called for deprogrammimg human beings.

Unvaxed are a problem, though
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You can be pi55ed off about things, but to blame it on brexit is just taking short cuts, the easy way out, making excuses.

There's swings and roundabouts.
But there is no other route in this case - the HGV driver shortage is linked to Brexit, there's no two ways about that. You can either blame it on Brexit happening at all (which would be a "Remainer" stance), or on the failure of the government to adequately prepare for leaving the EU once the vote had happened (the "Brexiteer" stance) as they had 4+ years to do this, and failed, they're only just trying to address it now.

There's just no way to claim that the UK's current haulage problems are not Brexit-related.
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But there is no other route in this case - the HGV driver shortage is linked to Brexit, there's no two ways about that. You can either blame it on Brexit happening at all (which would be a "Remainer" stance), or on the failure of the government to adequately prepare for leaving the EU once the vote had happened (the "Brexiteer" stance) as they had 4+ years to do this, and failed, they're only just trying to address it now.

There's just no way to claim that the UK's current haulage problems are not Brexit-related.
We could have been 3 years further advanced if it wasn't for all the people trying to overturn the result of the referendum, holding us back. And then when we finally seal the deal, the situation the World now finds itself in, starts.

There's always going to be creases to iron out. The first step is to accept we've left, and we're not likely to be returning in our lifetimes. Then we can get on with doing what's best for us.
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There's always going to be creases to iron out. The first step is to accept we've left, and we're not likely to be returning in our lifetimes. Then we can get on with doing what's best for us.
I agree to an extent but that has largely been the case since late 2019. There's a case to be made that Covid complicated matters not long after that, and that "everything else being kicked into the long grass" for most of 2020, then hitting mid 2021 and realising "wups we forgot to do anything else" is also a huge part of the problem, but at the end of the day, the buck stops with the same people anyway. There was a clear failure to adequately prep, no matter what else was going on. I honestly don't understand why both Remainers and Brexit supporters wouldn't be united in being annoyed about that. Other than the tribalism (i.e. "any acceptance of fair criticism = ceding ground to the enemy") that goes on in every topic.

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