[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm outraged. I like school age children in skirts at all times. Perfectly normal day on new tibb.

There's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have about things like this without having to make it 'weird' though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

There's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have about things like this without having to make it 'weird' though.

Things like what? Attempted inclusion? LGBTQ young people? What children have to wear in school? Girls with dicks?

I'm not the one making it weird. Weird is the continuing obsession of folks on here (not you that I've noticed).

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Things like what? Attempted inclusion? LGBTQ young people? What children have to wear in school? Girls with dicks?

I'm not the one making it weird. Weird is the continuing obsession of folks on here (not you that I've noticed).

The idea, or in this case actual fact, kids/people are being governed in what they can and can't wear thus ruining the whole 'people should be free to wear what they like and be who they like' argument.

It's going overboard, where are the people complaining that girls should only wear trousers now? It's a non issue imo. I don't think trans kids are bothered about girls wearing skirts, are they?

I just think it's over the top, and kinda stupid really.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

The idea, or in this case actual fact, kids/people are being governed in what they can and can't wear thus ruining the whole 'people should be free to wear what they like and be who they like' argument.

It's going overboard, where are the people complaining that girls should only wear trousers now? It's a non issue imo. I don't think trans kids are bothered about girls wearing skirts, are they?

I just think it's over the top, and kinda stupid really.

I was governed by what I wore to school, you were governed by it, and girls have also always had their school attire subject to rules.

School children having school uniform requirements isn't quite the issue it's made out to be, without the hints and insinuations of the issue (again, not what you've done but it is what the story is about).

Schools are not now, and have never been democracies for young people, and uniform requirements are nothing to do with pupils or their parents.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was governed by what I wore to school, you were governed by it, and girls have also always had their school attire subject to rules.

School children having school uniform requirements isn't quite the issue it's made out to be, without the hints and insinuations of the issue (again, not what you've done but it is what the story is about).

Schools are not now, and have never been democracies for young people, and uniform requirements are nothing to do with pupils or their parents.

All that is true. But it doesn't make it right. I mean, will girls be allowed to wear shorts? I wonder if boys are still allowed? In the summer i wore shorts to school. Kids will wear school uniforms more than any other clothing in their young lives, the comfort aspect should also play a part.

What kid what's to be wearing black trousers on hot summers day?!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

All that is true. But it doesn't make it right. I mean, will girls be allowed to wear shorts? I wonder if boys are still allowed? In the summer i wore shorts to school. Kids will wear school uniforms more than any other clothing in their young lives, the comfort aspect should also play a part.

What kid what's to be wearing black trousers on hot summers day?!

Why do you care? I had to wear a blazer, a tie, and a waistcoat, no one posted articles about how I should be allowed to wear what I want. I really just despair at what is happening in the world at the moment (especially in this country) versus what the citizenry think is important.

Maybe some of the folks on this forum need to worry about how kids are being forced into poverty rather than what they have to wear for a portion of the day, but that's just me I guess

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why do you care? I had to wear a blazer, a tie, and a waistcoat, no one posted articles about how I should be allowed to wear what I want. I really just despair at what is happening in the world at the moment (especially in this country) versus what the citizenry think is important.

Maybe some of the folks on this forum need to worry about how kids are being forced into poverty rather than what they have to wear for a portion of the day, but that's just me I guess

Well then what's the point of debating ever, about anything?! I don't care about the royals, any of them, i lump them all in the same the bundle, but i can still have an opinion on them from time to time. (brought them into this as it's an apt example, especially on this forum)

Ya know, why do you care, that i care? (not you personally, just in general) It's swings and roundabouts. Imo, to ban girls from wearing skirts now is ridiculous and i don't see what it's going to achieve in the long run.

I also think the right age for a child to have a serious discussion about sex, gender, identity is 12. Im not saying that's correct, but it's my opinion. It's as valid as any other.

[user104658]

I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to blame LGBT for this one, I can’t imagine it’s a desired outcome AT ALL for them as the whole point (as far as I understand it) of gender identity is individualised self expression, which this removes entirely.

In fact I would be more inclined to suspect that this is a covert move AGAINST gender individualism. If you genericise the uniform to be largely the same for boys and girls, then it becomes much harder for school kids to engage in outward/aesthetic forms of gender expression. This removes a large viral component of gender ideology … I think this would ultimately reduce the number of adolescent females announcing male or non-binary gender identity. As a hypothesis.

To be blunt (and this will go down like a lead balloon with some people, I’m sure) - for many of them, there will be no point in engaging in gender exploration if they can’t show it off aesthetically.

Also as another aside - my daughter (female, gay) would be furious if her school brought this in as she DETESTS wearing school trousers.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why do you care? I had to wear a blazer, a tie, and a waistcoat, no one posted articles about how I should be allowed to wear what I want. I really just despair at what is happening in the world at the moment (especially in this country) versus what the citizenry think is important.

Maybe some of the folks on this forum need to worry about how kids are being forced into poverty rather than what they have to wear for a portion of the day, but that's just me I guess

Hmmm I assume you know fine well that arguing that a discussion shouldn’t be had because there are other important things to discuss is not logically sound; there are threads on the issues you’re talking about and they are discussed, we’re not suffering from a lack of discussion bandwidth to make this any sort of a valid point. We can have an idle discussion about school uniforms AND still discuss the major global issues that are going on. One might even argue that smaller more localised issues are of greater importance to discuss, because an individual stands a chance of being heard and making a difference in something like their kids uniform policy - whereas when it comes down to it we all know that we’re firing spitballs at bulldozers when it comes to global events. We can discuss them but we can’t even nudge their course, let alone stop them.

You’re resorting to the “…but there are starving kids in Africa!” counterpoint which is, surely, one of the VERY FIRST that those of us interested in debate learn is bull**** and a cop out.

[Rustic bauble]

I think it is appalling. I think school children should be able to wear what they want so long as it is the school uniform...trousers or skirt.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Girls with dicks?

No girl has a dick