[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong about Chelsea being a team finishing in 10th before Roman.

The "Italian Connection" changed Chelsea's fortunes in the mid to late 90's.

Know your facts before talking utter sh!te and being wrong next time..



Things change, that's life, that's business. And no club, barring the odd one off season, were ever going to challenge Utd or Arsenal, or even Liverpool when it came to overseas money back then. Big money for "lesser" teams, teams almost but not quite there was actually a good thing for football imo. And also, Chelsea didn't actually change their team that much in Roman's first season. The foundation was already built before Roman and Jose.

I just think it's bollocks how everyone gets on their moral high horse when it comes to Chelsea.

It's not Chelsea, it's roman. That was my point about no one challenging united - they earned all of that right, they were marketing geniuses as soon as they started winning, they had sponsors on everything. and were raking it in. That's how a successful businesses should be. I'd hate to see united on 30 league titles and 10 CL's but they earned it, they didn't take shortcuts.

Chelsea spent £150m in his first transfer window, back in 03/04, so no need to rewrite history

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not Chelsea, it's roman. That was my point about no one challenging united - they earned all of that right, they were marketing geniuses as soon as they started winning, they had sponsors on everything. and were raking it in. That's how a successful businesses should be. I'd hate to see united on 30 league titles and 10 CL's but they earned it, they didn't take shortcuts.

Chelsea spent £150m in his first transfer window, back in 03/04, so no need to rewrite history

So you're saying the league is worse off now, because of all the money being spent, and teams that couldn't dream of challenging Utd, are now, and have dethroned them?

Also, no one wants to acknowledge that massively inflated prices Chelsea payed for players, if, before Roman, we approached, we'd have paid half the amount.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

So you're saying the league is worse off now, because of all the money being spent, and teams that couldn't dream of challenging Utd, are now, and have dethroned them?

Also, no one wants to acknowledge that massively inflated prices Chelsea payed for players, if, before Roman, we approached, we'd have paid half the amount.

Not just the league, but football is worse off. i'll even concede that if it was just Roman it would be manageable, but now we have your mob spending half a bill this window (if they get enzo), Newcastle will be guaranteed top 2 in 5 years, city will be top 2 forever, and then what happens? United can spend with them, but your lot won't be able to sustain this.

If Liverpool got Qatari owners and won 10 leagues on the trot, I'd obviously enjoy it, but it wouldn't improve the sport, and I'd more than likely have stopped watching. Football shouldn't be about owners - it should be about clubs, managers, and players.

I don't begrudge you what happened at Chelsea, because I'm self aware enough to know that if our clubs were reversed, I'd be laughing about the tears, too, but just trying to give an honest view on what's happened over the last 20 years, and going forward.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not just the league, but football is worse off. i'll even concede that if it was just Roman it would be manageable, but now we have your mob spending half a bill this window (if they get enzo), Newcastle will be guaranteed top 2 in 5 years, city will be top 2 forever, and then what happens? United can spend with them, but your lot won't be able to sustain this.

If Liverpool got Qatari owners and won 10 leagues on the trot, I'd obviously enjoy it, but it wouldn't improve the sport, and I'd more than likely have stopped watching. Football shouldn't be about owners - it should be about clubs, managers, and players.

I don't begrudge you what happened at Chelsea, because I'm self aware enough to know that if our clubs were reversed, I'd be laughing about the tears, too, but just trying to give an honest view on what's happened over the last 20 years, and going forward.

Yeah i suppose what you say is fair enough.

I guess teams are becoming more like franchises, like in American sport. The passion will always be there though.

But it's unfair to say Chelsea were sh!t before Roman, yeah he did have us challenging for Leagues, but we were on the brink imo before he arrived. To say Chelsea were going under financially just before Roman might have some truth, but you'll remember as well as anyone, that last game face off for top 4 between Chelsea and Liverpool, which we won. That CL money would have kept us afloat.

6 years before Roman -
3 Top 4 finishes
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Super Cup

That is not a 10th finishing team. So Girth is completely wrong about Chelsea being sh!t before Roman. We were on the up. That can't be denied. We'll never know of course, but without Roman, i feel Chelsea were only a season or 2 away from challenging for the PL.

If we wanna talk about ACTUAL sh!t teams paying for Trophies, lets all pop over to the blue side of Manchester!

[Swan]

Coincidentally, Everton has just been put up for sale.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong about Chelsea being a team finishing in 10th before Roman.

The "Italian Connection" changed Chelsea's fortunes in the mid to late 90's.

Know your facts before talking utter sh!te and being wrong next time..

You won the premier league/first division one time before the blood money.

[GiRTh]

Before the blood money, you were also rans, you were Aston Villa. Villa went one way and you went the other

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah i suppose what you say is fair enough.

I guess teams are becoming more like franchises, like in American sport. The passion will always be there though.

But it's unfair to say Chelsea were sh!t before Roman, yeah he did have us challenging for Leagues, but we were on the brink imo before he arrived. To say Chelsea were going under financially just before Roman might have some truth, but you'll remember as well as anyone, that last game face off for top 4 between Chelsea and Liverpool, which we won. That CL money would have kept us afloat.

6 years before Roman -
3 Top 4 finishes
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Super Cup

That is not a 10th finishing team. So Girth is completely wrong about Chelsea being sh!t before Roman. We were on the up. That can't be denied. We'll never know of course, but without Roman, i feel Chelsea were only a season or 2 away from challenging for the PL.

If we wanna talk about ACTUAL sh!t teams paying for Trophies, lets all pop over to the blue side of Manchester!

I actually liked your Vialli, Gullit, Zola period, and you were a good team, but all of those players wages, and the hotel bates built had you weeks away from going under like Leeds.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You won the premier league/first division one time before the blood money.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Before the blood money, you were also rans, you were Aston Villa. Villa went one way and you went the other

Carry on being wrong

You keep trying to make me feel guilty with the "blood money" crap, or trying to make some weird point? Blood is on your hands too with the device you're typing your incorrect rubbish on. So if we want to be petty, we can go there. Like how slaves in sh!thole countries make the phones we use everyday for 4 pence a month. Or the appalling way slaves are used in the Lithium Mines so we can all keep up with useless bollocks on twitter 24/7. Blood is on the hands of all of us.

Get off your moral high horse.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah i suppose what you say is fair enough.

I guess teams are becoming more like franchises, like in American sport. The passion will always be there though.

But it's unfair to say Chelsea were sh!t before Roman, yeah he did have us challenging for Leagues, but we were on the brink imo before he arrived. To say Chelsea were going under financially just before Roman might have some truth, but you'll remember as well as anyone, that last game face off for top 4 between Chelsea and Liverpool, which we won. That CL money would have kept us afloat.

6 years before Roman -
3 Top 4 finishes
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Super Cup

That is not a 10th finishing team. So Girth is completely wrong about Chelsea being sh!t before Roman. We were on the up. That can't be denied. We'll never know of course, but without Roman, i feel Chelsea were only a season or 2 away from challenging for the PL.

If we wanna talk about ACTUAL sh!t teams paying for Trophies, lets all pop over to the blue side of Manchester!

The ECL was an easier competition to get into back then. Proof being that Arsenal qualified for over 20 years in succession under Arsene Wenger. Well done for making it 3 times in 7 years.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Carry on being wrong

You keep trying to make me feel guilty with the "blood money" crap, or trying to make some weird point? Blood is on your hands too with the device you're typing your incorrect rubbish on. So if we want to be petty, we can go there. Like how slaves in sh!thole countries make the phones we use everyday for 4 pence a month. Or the appalling way slaves are used in the Lithium Mines so we can all keep up with useless bollocks on twitter 24/7. Blood is on the hands of all of us.

Get off your moral high horse.

Come again. Bit heavy. Lets keep ti to football and blood money in football

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The ECL was an easier competition to get into back then. Proof being that Arsenal qualified for over 20 years in succession under Arsene Wenger. Well done for making it 3 times in 7 years.

Stay salty

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Come again. Bit heavy. Lets keep ti to football and blood money in football

You keep talking about "blood money", well it exists everywhere, im just pointing out the hypocrisy. Blood on the hands of people is fine when it benefits you. But when Chelsea dominate Arsenal for 20 years, it all of a sudden becomes "wrong".

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

You keep talking about "blood money", well it exists everywhere, im just pointing out the hypocrisy. Blood on the hands of people is fine when it benefits you. But when Chelsea dominate Arsenal for 20 years, it all of a sudden becomes "wrong".

Nice of you to make it personal. When did I mention this was about Chelsea V Arsenal.

This is why Chelsea fans are so horrific. You were absolutely nothing before the Oligarchs blood money. Its true, come to terms with it. That disgusting humans beings stinking money that he obtained with blood on his hands made you the club you are today. Without it you would be nothing.

Imagine if Ken Bates was chairmen. Its laughable to think you would have won leagues never mind Champions leagues under Ken Bates. If you're happy with it though, then that's OK.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Nice of you to make it personal. When did I mention this was about Chelsea V Arsenal.

This is why Chelsea fans are so horrific. You were absolutely nothing before the Oligarchs blood money. Its true, come to terms with it. That disgusting humans beings stinking money that he obtained with blood on his hands made you the club you are today. Without it you would be nothing.

Imagine if Ken Bates was chairmen. Its laughable to think you would have won leagues never mind Champions leagues under Ken Bates. If you're happy with it though, then that's OK.

I've already shown you proof you're wrong about that.

5 credible Trophies in the 6 years before Roman. Again, Chelsea's Italian connection seriously improved the team.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Before the blood money, you were also rans, you were Aston Villa. Villa went one way and you went the other

That's cruel to compare Chelsea to them lot.

[Swan]

It's almost like Girth is blaming Chelsea fans that a Russian Billionaire brought the club 20 years ago...It's beyond weird.

Roman also donated all the net proceeds of the sale of Chelsea to the victims of the Ukrainian War....

Businessmen are ruthless, in all forms, their blood in the hands so so many!

[bots]

there used to be a massive Russian influence at arsenal a few short years ago too, people have short memories

[Swan]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there used to be a massive Russian influence at arsenal a few short years ago too, people have short memories

Exactly, all just pure hypocrisy!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there used to be a massive Russian influence at arsenal a few short years ago too, people have short memories

Arsenal have always been a self-funded club though, so not sure what "influence" means. Usmanov tried for years to buy them and do a Roman, but he was always prevented from doing so by the old Arsenal board, who even refused to sell him the club when it was up for sale.

[Swan]

Abramovich has been involved in corrupt deals. Not condoning it, but it happens in business. Blood money though? I thought people would be happy he cheated the Russian Government out of Billions in a deal? That he's donating the proceeds from the Chelsea sale to the victims of the Ukrainian war? I know he's ruthless, and we'll never know how dodgy he was/is. But this "blood money" crap is getting old.

Also Slim, do you think Chelsea were "sh!t/nothing/villa" before Abramovich? As Girth insists on saying in ever post?!!