[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, so what is there to suggest she's doing this for anything but women's rights?

There obviously can never be "evidence" for any individuals internal overall motivations one way or the other because ultimately they're only known by that person; she may or may not have the over-arching goal of protecting women's spaces. However she courts the alt-right to gain notoriety, funding and a platform and (albeit, just observationally) ... she's just plain starting to sound and look like an alt-righter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

There obviously can never be "evidence" for any individuals internal overall motivations one way or the other because ultimately they're only known by that person; she may or may not have the over-arching goal of protecting women's spaces. However she courts the alt-right to gain notoriety, funding and a platform and (albeit, just observationally) ... she's just plain starting to sound and look like an alt-righter.

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

I think if you go on the platform of an open white supremacist who has called for a Canadian, white, ethno-state, then you're on shaky ground.

Not even you believes the bbc is hard left.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

She evidently and openly accepts support from right-wing individuals with a smile and a wave, it's not particularly subtle. To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars. These people are not fighting for women's rights. Again maybe she believes its possible to use these individuals "for the numbers" in her own battles and not ultimately hand power to them. In the long run, but if she does I think she's very wrong.

The idea that the BBC is hard left is daft too. I don't really know what it is at this point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

She evidently and openly accepts support from right-wing individuals with a smile and a wave, it's not particularly subtle. To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars. These people are not fighting for women's rights. Again maybe she believes its possible to use these individuals "for the numbers" in her own battles and not ultimately hand power to them. In the long run, but if she does I think she's very wrong.

The idea that the BBC is hard left is daft too. I don't really know what it is at this point.

by losing abortion rights do you mean more people in a state dont agree with abortion for all and voted accordingly?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And yes, she does very blatantly hold hands with the nazis and women hating far right, she doesn’t get hijacked by then, she welcomes them with open arms

Like who? When?

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars.

Being against abortion doesn't mean someone can't be left wing or a feminist tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Like who? When?


Being against abortion doesn't mean someone can't be left wing or a feminist tbh.

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

The last time that I checked Donald Trump is a man.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Loosely I agree but the problems start to arise when people want to push their own personal moral stance as enforced law for all. There are lots of things that I personally find immoral that I don't think should be made illegal.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Personally I'm not a cheerleader for abortion (I prefer adoption out of the two) but I tend to notice that it is mainly evangelical Republicans (and the equivalent in other countries) that love to tell women if they can have an abortion, and to go to LT's point about "pro-life people all being women" as it's simply not true.