[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The eradication of Gaza has been such a clear goal in this conflict that this was an inevitability. At this point I'm fairly convinced - like 80% convinced - they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza. I think there are probably some extremely frustrated individuals out there because the world's reaction has been so mixed.

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

[bots]

Explosions have hit Damascus, the Syrian capital, according to local reports.

There were also "plumes of smoke" seen across different sites in the city, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Videos, which the BBC has been unable to verify, showed a large cloud of smoke and buildings destroyed.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

do you have evidence to back this up?


also i doubt Israel will continue with the bloodshed once Hamas is gone, when they eliminated Hamas, Netanyahu will be removed from power, and everyone of his loyalists i think to start building towards a better future again, normalizing relations either, handing an apology for some mistakes made in this crisis which cost the lives of several innocent palestinians



in terms of the other crisis, UK and USA are involved over in Yemen, they too same as Israel, fight terrorism, what the Houthi's are, terrorists against cargo ships

[Nicky91]

not everyone is on Netanyahu's side i think within the israeli politics, the other Benny for example Gantz, he is his opposition, they only joined forces to fight against Hamas


and i doubt Netanyahu has public support either lmao, below freezing point now i guess

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

That doesn't really have any bearing on what I said. Like I said, I'm not saying it's a fully false flag, I'm saying it can be both true that Hamas planned the attack over several years AND someone in a position of knowledge/influence could have leaked information about where there'd be a vulnerability and when.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/BRHarvie/status/1748895422763155477

New trending Boycot PizzaHut
as they supplied the IDF.

[Livia]

The Israelis sold out their own people and dangled them like bait in order to have an excuse to attack Gaza? Honestly... of all the outrageous spouts of bullsh*t I've encountered since the start of this, that's the jointly the cruelest and the most hilarious.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Israelis sold out their own people and dangled them like bait in order to have an excuse to attack Gaza? Honestly... of all the outrageous spouts of bullsh*t I've encountered since the start of this, that's the jointly the cruelest and the most hilarious.

I did not say "The Israelis" I said someone, i.e. someone in a position of political influence with vested interests.

If your argument is that there aren't uncaring and fully corrupt individuals present in every government of every country in the world, then I think you need to take stock of what's actually hilarious. And to argue at this point that the current intent is anything other than the full depopulation and removal of Gaza from the board is equally hilarious. That is very clearly the prevailing desire here, and that suits the pre-existing politics of some people very nicely.

If your argument is that the depopulation and annexation of Gaza is a normal and proportionate response to the events of 7th Oct then tbh I think you need to pull the other one. No one could legitimately believe that.

[Livia]

You didn't say "someone", you said "they".

... they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza.

[Nicky91]

anti-terrorism is always used as a excuse for the desire to create more bloodshed


same now in Yemen, by the USA, UK to get involved there because you know $$$$



being such dumb***** killing our General Suleimani (whom was also fighting terrorism) but yeah stupid USA thought he was a threat to them they murdered him with that killer drone bomb, he left behind a wife and 3 young children btw, children who now have to grow up without a daddy, because the USA thought they were fighting the good fight, being patriots and everything



same with Netanyahu, fighting the good fight like patriots against Hamas, and not thinking of any innocent victims in Gaza, kids who become orphans, kids who get killed in the crossfire



the middle east were managing just fine against russia, against terrorism, without interference of the west



at least i personally can say i ain't a hypocrite, and i am also against terrorism, but more dealing with terrorism the cleanest way without loss of other life



if i were a israeli leader, i myself would do everything to strengthen alliances with the middle east, rather than pushing them further away, villifying ourselves towards the middle east

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if i were a israeli leader, i myself would do everything to strengthen alliances with the middle east, rather than pushing them further away, villifying ourselves towards the middle east

Bruh. Muslim countries hate Israel purely for existing, they're not going to respond in earnest to any amount of olive branches.

[Nicky91]

nice gesture what was here in my nation last month, at the dam in amsterdam, 8.000 shoes for palestinian children killed in conflict with Israel



shame those pro-hamas protester thugs have to ruin it, making this conflict only worse and more chaotic across the world thankfully no pro-hamas protests yet in my nation

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You didn't say "someone", you said "they".

... they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza.

To clarify as a blanket statement (about all countries) - something I'm sure I've said before - in my view a country's government is a completely separate consideration to it's civilians. Making a comment about what Israel's influential political figures may or may not have done is not a blanket statement at all about the people of Israel... or even everyone involved in Israeli politics. I'm well aware that not every political group in Israel is Zionist, and even more aware that the level at which you can consider a country's politicians to be representative of their population is - sadly - extremely low.

God forbid anyone think that my views are represented by EITHER of the current gaggle of SNP or Tories.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To clarify as a blanket statement (about all countries) - something I'm sure I've said before - in my view a country's government is a completely separate consideration to it's civilians. Making a comment about what Israel's influential political figures may or may not have done is not a blanket statement at all about the people of Israel... or even everyone involved in Israeli politics. I'm well aware that not every political group in Israel is Zionist, and even more aware that the level at which you can consider a country's politicians to be representative of their population is - sadly - extremely low.

God forbid anyone think that my views are represented by EITHER of the current gaggle of SNP or Tories.

Blah blah...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Blah blah...

I've been clear enough all through this thread that I draw a distinction between both Jewish people/the citizens of Israel/the politics of Israel and Hamas/civilian Palestinians. Whether or not you believe that isn't massively relevant.

[arista]

Sadly over 20 IDF died
as they were hit while they were sorting bombs out

24 IDF killed in one day


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68065903

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

What are they even trying to say with that one?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What are they even trying to say with that one?

The IDF
are killing everything.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What are they even trying to say with that one?

they are killing the green shoots (children) at a guess

[Oliver_W]

Ah, I see.

Very clever and symbolic.

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

[bots]

the court has no power to enforce anything, so it's a show

[Stu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the court has no power to enforce anything, so it's a show

It's poor optics, which can mount international pressure, which can change the world. Remember that we're mere weeks out from city halls across the western world falling over themselves to tart up their exteriors in Israeli flags.

Everything's a show.