[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Good those Punks are now in Jail

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Top police officer has told parents they
need to do more to stop their children getting
involved in dangerous TikTok crazes.
Her comments come days after a flash mob
organised on the site engaged in looting
on London's Oxford Street.]

[Zizu]

Thousands of prisoners will be released early at the start of September, the justice secretary has announced.


Under her plan, some prisoners will be released after they have served 40% of their sentence in England and Wales, rather than the current 50%.



Great .. aa well as having a far too lenient justice system we now have this .
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[Mystic Mock]

I understand that we have an issue with Prison space, but there are a couple of ideas that Labour could try that would mitigate the problem.

1. Downgrade the more "petty" crimes to Community Service, and leave the Prisons for the more hardcore crimes.

2. Maybe spend actual money to build more Prisons.

Because I don't think many of us want murderers, pedos, rapists, or people that have Acid attacked someone, to be let loose into society.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I understand that we have an issue with Prison space, but there are a couple of ideas that Labour could try that would mitigate the problem.

1. Downgrade the more "petty" crimes to Community Service, and leave the Prisons for the more hardcore crimes.

2. Maybe spend actual money to build more Prisons.

Because I don't think many of us want murderers, pedos, rapists, or people that have Acid attacked someone, to be let loose into society.

Labour won't do any of that , as what you just said is common sense... which seems to be lacking in politics especially these days.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Labour won't do any of that , as what you just said is common sense... which seems to be lacking in politics especially these days.

Thanks for the common sense compliment.

And you're probably right that they probably won't bring these policies forward, but one can only dream.

[bots]

labour committed to tory plans to make spending cuts. Part of that was getting rid of several thousand prison officers. That's the main reason they are letting prisoners out early, but they won't tell anyone that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour committed to tory plans to make spending cuts. Part of that was getting rid of several thousand prison officers. That's the main reason they are letting prisoners out early, but they won't tell anyone that

Thought prisons were understaffed

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thought prisons were understaffed

yep, they are, but they are still getting rid of prison officers to cut costs

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thought prisons were understaffed

Prison officers are LEAVING because they cannot cope with the stress of overcrowded prisons.

With more and more getting custodial sentences with hardly any places left in prisons for them.

I've long advocated that unless there's violence, damage to property and all sexual related offences
Prison should be a very last resort .

The last government has depleted the probation service too.

I see no point of people in prison for financial offences only, when more often than not, what was stolen is overshadowed by the cost of them being kept in prison.
With no prospect of getting any funds back.

Those people should be doing community supervised work as a payback.
Not be in prison.
Jobs like backroom work as to care, or things councils cannot get done, cleaning parks, cemeteries etc
If they've stolen from a company they could work in the grounds or do cleaning as a payback

There'd be no need for new prisons as it's already estimated by the new guy looking at this who has helped with loads of rehabilitation for prisoners.
He even says a third shouldn't be in prison in the first place anyhow.

In that case, that means over 28,000 people could be punished other ways out of prison.

Look at all the places that would then open up for really violence related and sexual crimes.
However too, the stress relief too to prison staff being able to cope with a much reduced prison population.
So they too are then retained in the prison service.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yep, they are, but they are still getting rid of prison officers to cut costs

Great idea ..,not !!


I thought that Labour were going to bring intelligence, funding, common sense and everything else to the table ?


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Thanks for the common sense compliment.

And you're probably right that they probably won't bring these policies forward, but one can only dream.

It's actually a good idea what you said, I'm always wondering why petty crimes get the focus ...whilst the more heinous grim crimes get a joke sentence .

I know it isn't always the case ,but the way I see it ....if someone has committed murder ,rape , paedophilila , acid attacks etc then they should NEVER EVER be released. They're beyond rehabilitation imo .

[Oliver_W]

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

I 100% agree.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

Can you differentiate for me, what is and isnt a non violent crime, so I can make a decision on your outlandish suggestion about who shouldn't ahouldnt be remanded into custody for the mideamenour that they've committed.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can you differentiate for me, what is and isnt a non violent crime, so I can make a decision on your outlandish suggestion about who shouldn't ahouldnt be remanded into custody for the mideamenour that they've committed.

Moving numbers around on a screen isn't violent, nor is having (NOT dealing) drugs.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

Agreed

Violent/ sexual predators / paedos all get extremely harsh sentences


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Moving numbers around on a screen isn't violent, nor is having (NOT dealing) drugs.

They ain't crimes either.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They ain't crimes either.

Fraud and other monetary crimes are ... crimes.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Fraud and other monetary crimes are ... crimes.

People who lose money through fraud and other monetary crimes can feel violated and as emotionally effected as someone who has been beaten for no reason.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

People who lose money through fraud and other monetary crimes can feel violated and as emotionally effected as someone who has been beaten for no reason.

And people can feel affected by reading words on a screen or hearing them aloud. But I'm sure you'd agree that feelings shouldn't be a decider when it comes to jail.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And people can feel affected by reading words on a screen or hearing them aloud. But I'm sure you'd agree that feelings shouldn't be a decider when it comes to jail.

I think the victims feelings should always be a factor when it comes to sentencing. Especially for pardons.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's actually a good idea what you said, I'm always wondering why petty crimes get the focus ...whilst the more heinous grim crimes get a joke sentence .

I know it isn't always the case ,but the way I see it ....if someone has committed murder ,rape , paedophilila , acid attacks etc then they should NEVER EVER be released. They're beyond rehabilitation imo.

I 100% agree with you.

All of those crimes are showing that the individual that's committed any of them is a threat to society in some form or another, and we can't be letting them out on the streets.

[GoldHeart]

Also i remember not long ago a guy was so senselessly beaten/ punched in the head that he had to have part of his skull removed, and now has to wear a helmet constantly due to how fragile his head is...... he almost died and still might if he gets a blood clot or any type of pressure in his head. The nasty thug who assaulted him ..... is walking free and was seen grinning like a Cheshire cat on drugs. Absolute zero remorse , no doubt he'll probably do it again, as he thinks he can get away with it.


if you're a danger to society ... the key should be thrown away.


Crime involving theft, fraud etc should still be taken seriously aswell.