[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

When you cannot counter a statement attempt to shame those that hold it.

I consider grooming to be a psychologically abusive act.

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

Then make that argument and don't attack other forum members on a personal level.

I consider her 'adoption' of Lily as a clear case of grooming.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Then make that argument and don't attack other forum members on a personal level.

I consider her 'adoption' of Lily as a clear case of grooming.

I think people who have such ongoing venom towards another human they don't know based on a few hours of footage should be called out for lacking perspective. I won't apologise for that.

Someone calling another person an abuser, manipulative and borderline sociopath based on little evidence and just their interpretation of events cannot cry about being "attacked on a personal level".

I've not actually said anything about your character other than your comments are insulting and lack perspective and should probably take a break in nature.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think people who have such ongoing venom towards another human they don't know based on a few hours of footage should be called out for lacking perspective. I won't apologise for that.

Someone calling another person an abuser, manipulative and borderline sociopath based on little evidence and just their interpretation of events cannot cry about being "attacked on a personal level".

I've not actually said anything about your character other than your comments are insulting and lack perspective and should probably take a break in nature.

Notice how I disagree with you but somehow manage to not make personal comments on you, no matter what I actually think of your takes?

Look, you saying these things about me isn't gonna shame me out of holding the views I do on Ali, so I don't really get the need to say it.

I merely comment on what I observe in the HMs, as we all do. I find her controlling manipulative hypocritical and deeply dishonest in how she engages with others.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Notice how I disagree with you but somehow manage to not make personal comments on you, no matter what I actually think of your takes?

Look, you saying these things about me isn't gonna shame me out of holding the views I do on Ali, so I don't really get the need to say it.

I merely comment on what I observe in the HMs, as we all do. I find her controlling manipulative hypocritical and deeply dishonest in how she engages with others.

Look, I am not trying to change your views on Ali, and you have a right to have them, but I think people should bear in mind they're talking about regular people in a gameshow and maybe some of the harsher comments are better left unsaid.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

you have a right to have them

Yes, that's correct. can we call this done now? It's dragging on a bit.

I am here to just talk about HMs, not to lecture others on their posts.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by BBXX

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

Both Nathan & Ali are grooming Lily, in Thursday's episode...when Nathan had yet another bitch session about " who is fake" , he was probing Lily for answers ,and making her go along the board of housemates. Whilst he kept being agreeable . I half expected him to throw her a treat ,and say " good girl" .

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Both Nathan & Ali are grooming Lily, in Thursday's episode...when Nathan had yet another bitch session about " who is fake" , he was probing Lily for answers ,and making her go along the board of housemates. Whilst he kept being agreeable . I half expected him to throw her a treat ,and say " good girl" .

As you've said elsewhere, not everything has to have an ulterior motive. Sometimes chat is just chat, like when Nathan went through the screen saying how many fake people we thought there was to probe Ali and gauge her reaction. Or like when Khaled wasn't trying to manipulate Izaaz to take his side over Ali's and said if he remained he was lying.