[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And she only ' liked' Izaaz as he seemed to not pick specific groups...and was spending a bit of time with her.

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Some of these people have lost their minds over Ali !!!


Gawd knows what they are gonna do when Ali isn’t on our screens anymore .. were are they gonna vent all their toxicity ??!?


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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

In what way was Izaaz not masculine?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

In what way was Izaaz not masculine?

He just seemed very submissive towards all of the other Housemates, which I suppose isn't really a masculine or feminine trait tbh.

He probably was the very thing that some Housemates would accuse Khaled of being, which was a people pleaser.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

Yeah I honestly think there's deep rooted issues there , and whether Ali & Dean have had bad experiences or not....they can't tar every ' masculine man ' with the same brush.

Ali is basically projecting toxic feminist traits. Which isn't what real feminism is even about.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah I honestly think there's deep rooted issues there , and whether Ali & Dean have had bad experiences or not....they can't tar every ' masculine man ' with the same brush.

Ali is basically projecting toxic feminist traits. Which isn't what real feminism is even about.

Tbf, I don't know if I would personally say that Ali is someone with "toxic femininity" as personally it's just not the kind of language that I would use.

But I do think that Ali is apart of a new wave of feminism, that unfortunately can fall into the trap of man-hating/or disliking masculine traits.

To try and be as fair as possible to Ali and Dean, I don't know what kind of experiences that they've had with straight and masculine men, but the defense can only go so far because we're entering a very slippery slope if we just completely whitewash an individual's prejudice just because they might have had a bad experience with another individual that is also in that group.

And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that we should do anything OTT like legally punishing people for holding prejudiced opinions (because that's pretty dystopian) but obviously I don't want us to be encouraging any prejudices in society either.

That's just my opinion.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by BBXX

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

This.

There’s a very clear pattern in his behaviour and comments. He’s made crude comments on Sarah dancing, tried to make “jokes” about periods, tea bags, ph levels. Gaslit Sarah after the whole chicken thing to try and make out that she was the one with the problem when he came at her first. He put his hand on Lilys throat when they were “messing around”, continued to go on about how he’s a “human ejaculator” after Ali expressed how uncomfortable she felt when they were sat in the living area during nominations and couldn’t leave until they were done.

He tried to “joke” that they kissed even after she expressed, AGAIN, that she wasn’t comfortable with that. He didn’t shut down Lily when she was drunk and their conversation got a little flirty, this man is literally 14 years her senior… ! He also commented on how he’s cheats on every woman he’s with “before they can cheat on him”, the man supports Trump… I mean, enough said at this point.

The fact that people are pointing out how it’s “worrying” that people would support Ali for calling out literally any of this while continuing to back and try and explain away any of this behaviour is what’s actually baffling to me. He’s vile.

And before anyone tries, I don’t support the crude comments Emma has made either and I’m not trying to say Ali has never done anything wrong in that house, I don’t support everything she’s ever said but she’s made very valid points and that’s why I will continue to support her and vote for her to make sure someone like Marcello doesn’t win.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Some of these people have lost their minds over Ali !!!


Gawd knows what they are gonna do when Ali isn’t on our screens anymore .. were are they gonna vent all their toxicity ??!?

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist, but just playing. Have a good day on your hols. Remember that this BB nonsense isn't real life

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist, but just playing. Have a good day on your hols. Remember that this BB nonsense isn't real life

Virtual hug


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

People have got to remember that Ali also had issues with Khaled and Ryan too.

She also didn't exactly love Thomas and Segun either, she just tolerated them more than anything.

She also has had an up and down relationship with Nathan, and he isn't even that masculine.

The only guys that Ali seemed to genuinely like were Dean and Izaaz.

She manipulates the weak….she doesn’t like strong minded people. She likes to feel empowered. That’s why she almost left the house when her plan backfired.

[Black Dagger]

Men are gross that’s why. Down with men!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She manipulates the weak….she doesn’t like strong minded people. She likes to feel empowered. That’s why she almost left the house when her plan backfired.

I don't think she ever intended on leaving,she just wanted to get sympathy / pity party & guilt trip Khaled.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't think she ever intended on leaving,she just wanted to get sympathy / pity party & guilt trip Khaled.

True…

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I love how triggered she makes people by just existing and having opinions on people

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by BBXX

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

"Hitler didn't hate jews you guys he just hated toxic jewishness."

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently

That's an incredibly dishonest version of what actually went on...

Ali's comments when comparing a group of PoC as animals could def be considered as 'racist' if Sarah's comments were. But, anyhow, the thread never once called her racist, it discussed the possibility of the public seeing her as that based on the situation. But, never let reality get in the way.

No one except hyperbolic ali stans have used the word 'hypnotised'... But, yes, she is good at manipulating.

Who said she wasn't a lesbian? I have never seen that here. Not saying it wasn't said, but I have never seen it.

Yes, Ali has def demonstrated misandrist behaviours and patterns.

Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify all this and retouch on these problematic behaviours of Ali in a reply to you.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently

It’s actually crazy, so much vitriol over a random woman on a tv show having an opinion

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s actually crazy, so much vitriol over a random woman on a tv show having an opinion

another deliberate dishonest misrepresenting of the actual situation.

it makes it very hard to have a sensible conversation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by vesavius

That's an incredibly dishonest version of what actually went on...

Ali's comments when comparing a group of PoC as animals could def be considered as 'racist' if Sarah's comments were. But, anyhow, the thread never once called her racist, it discussed the possibility of the public seeing her as that based on the situation. But, never let reality get in the way.

No one except hyperbolic ali stans have used the word 'hypnotised'... But, yes, she is good at manipulating.

Who said she wasn't a lesbian? I have never seen that here. Not saying it wasn't said, but I have never seen it.

Yes, Ali has def demonstrated misandrist behaviours and patterns.

Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify all this and retouch on these problematic behaviours of Ali in a reply to you.

She seems to have brought out the " we must win the culture war" aspect

no idea why...

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

She seems to have brought out the " we must win the culture war" aspect

no idea why...

Thing is, I want the culture war bollocks kept out of BB... I want the winner to be based on who they are and what they do in that house... Not be a checklist of causes and X/ reddit approved 'virtues'. I don't care what gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, or even who they voted for 10 years ago in my winner.

We are well and truly in the era of not who the winner should be but WHAT they should be, and I think it's potentially the death of BB as a watchable show.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Thing is, I want the culture war bollocks kept out of BB... I want the winner to be based on who they are and what they do in that house... Not be a checklist of causes and X/ reddit approved 'virtues'. I don't care what gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, or even who they voted for 10 years ago.

We are well and truly in the era of not who the winner should be but WHAT they should be, and I think it's potentially the death of BB as a watchable show.

People will look on the woke movement in 20 years the same people in the 80s looked back at the hippies.

[GoldHeart]

She was crying as she thought Lily was popular,but she was crying for herself having fooled the public and survived yet another eviction.

I still don't think she'll have much time for Lily when she leaves. Even the WhatsApp group are taking their time to add Lily , it's only Daze who probably gives her the time of day.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

She wanted him gone ,and her plan worked .... it's as simple as that, it just took longer than she anticipated,so her game plan kept changing .

Once he was getting saved ,and once she was losing her friends in the house ,she started buddying up with him. But yeah she started the whole " Khaled is fake" BS
...which destroyed him in the end, as other housemates
started jumping on the bandwagon to slag him off . Then she did a 180 and suddenly felt " bad for him", when she instigated the whole thing.

Ali definitely started the issues with Khaled, and in my opinion her behaviour towards him back then was totally unjustified and unnecessary. She should never have called him out in front of the group, but should have spoken to him privately if she had an issue with him. It was unpleasant behaviour, and to me came across as cruel.

Khaled was very respectful in his conflicts with her, and handled the whole thing very graciously, considering the onslaught he encountered.

There is a certain irony that, in the end, she was basically defending him and speaking negatively about other housemates for focusing on an image of him that she created, He deserves a public apology from her, considering her very public annihilation of his character.

I’m disappointed that Khaled has gone as I think he deserved a place in the final week.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Ali definitely started the issues with Khaled, and in my opinion her behaviour towards him back then was totally unjustified and unnecessary. She should never have called him out in front of the group, but should have spoken to him privately if she had an issue with him. It was unpleasant behaviour, and to me came across as cruel.

Khaled was very respectful in his conflicts with her, and handled the whole thing very graciously, considering the onslaught he encountered.

There is a certain irony that, in the end, she was basically defending him and speaking negatively about other housemates for focusing on an image of him that she created, He deserves a public apology from her, considering her very public annihilation of his character.

I’m disappointed that Khaled has gone as I think he deserved a place in the final week.

He was definitely robbed his place In that final.

[Glenn.]

Pointing out men’s disgusting language against women is men hating now?

It’s almost as if women don’t like being spoken about like ****.