[arista]

Rachel Reeves MP the Chancellor
confirmed today on 2 Political shows.


Thats a large amount,

Markets are watching her...................


[More than 10,000 civil servants jobs
could be cut as part of Labour's push
for 5% savings across its departments,
a government source has said.
Headcount in the civil service
topped 513,000 this year,
a 33% increase on 2016 levels
and the eighth year in a row that the
total has risen, according to the
Institute for Government, external.
Ministers now recognised civil service numbers
"have gone up and up and in reality
that is not going to be able to continue,"
the source told the BBC.

On Monday, Chancellor Rachel Reeves
launched a spending review that will
force ministers to cut budgets in the
run up of the 2029 general election.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdek2ygzz8eo

[Cherie]

Awful, add that to the 10,000 losing their jobs in NHS England, and then they want the disabled to go back to work, where are all these jobs being created?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Awful, add that to the 10,000 losing their jobs in NHS England, and then they want the disabled to go back to work, where are all these jobs being created?

So true

[Redway]

Oh, noo.

[bots]

all this crap is unheard of in previous labour governments. They are now worse than the tories were

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

all this crap is unheard of in previous labour governments. They are now worse than the tories were

I agree, it's utterly dire, we've basically upped all of our insurances (life, critical illness cover, salary protection etc) because at this point I feel that anyone needing any sort of state assistance is in a very precarious position.

[Ammi]

…I can see a big fat Labour Party rebellion…well, I hope there is a big fat Labour Party rebellion and that there is some redemption for a Labour of the future going forward…/…atm they’re sealing their end and their last stand as it were…

[bots]

pensioners, the sick and vulnerable, farmers, the nhs and now the civil service and we are not a year in to the labour government. Something has to give

[Crimson Dynamo]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I can see a big fat Labour Party rebellion…well, I hope there is a big fat Labour Party rebellion and that there is some redemption for a Labour of the future going forward…/…atm they’re sealing their end and their last stand as it were…

They are indeed.
There are a great many who would rebel on the Labour backbenchers and I do hope they will.
However with a massive overall majority of around 165+
It's unlikely they'd be beaten in a vote in parliament.
I never supported or liked these large overall majorities.
Even moreso on Parties only getting anything from mid 30s to low 40s of actual votes.

Absolutely it's not necessarily votes that decide the government but who wins the most seats
It is why I still firmly believe in only PR for elections.
To end this in my view, gross misrepresentation of votes versus seats.
This electoral system more fails the UK as to governance now.

Ironically even if the current polling is anywhere right.
An election under first past the post would still mean a likely Labour led government in a probable coalition with the LibDems.
Under this first past the post failing system.
Because every other Party in parliament, except for perhaps 40% of the Cons; would want to ensure Reform are NEVER in any kind of power.

I personally don't oppose some reduction in civil servants at all.
However I'm so disillusioned and infuriated right now because of the more callous way the policies are even being presented, never mind the extent of them too.
I most certainly did NOT canvass for this.
So they really will need to have turned many things around in 3 to 4 years and make sure they do.
Not just sit and hope for a bad start, good finish scenario.
It certainly looks like my dream of PR in elections is off the table for possibly decades.
Because I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I agree, it's utterly dire, we've basically upped all of our insurances (life, critical illness cover, salary protection etc) because at this point I feel that anyone needing any sort of state assistance is in a very precarious position.

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They are indeed.
There are a great many who would rebel on the Labour backbenchers and I do hope they will.
However with a massive overall majority of around 165+
It's unlikely they'd be beaten in a vote in parliament.
I never supported or liked these large overall majorities.
Even moreso on Parties only getting anything from mid 30s to low 40s of actual votes.

Absolutely it's not necessarily votes that decide the government but who wins the most seats
It is why I still firmly believe in only PR for elections.
To end this in my view, gross misrepresentation of votes versus seats.
This electoral system more fails the UK as to governance now.

Ironically even if the current polling is anywhere right.
An election under first past the post would still mean a likely Labour led government in a probable coalition with the LibDems.
Under this first past the post failing system.
Because every other Party in parliament, except for perhaps 40% of the Cons; would want to ensure Reform are NEVER in any kind of power.

I personally don't oppose some reduction in civil servants at all.
However I'm so disillusioned and infuriated right now because of the more callous way the policies are even being presented, never mind the extent of them too.
I most certainly did NOT canvass for this.
So they really will need to have turned many things around in 3 to 4 years and make sure they do.
Not just sit and hope for a bad start, good finish scenario.
It certainly looks like my dream of PR in elections is off the table for possibly decades.
Because I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.

…all a nation needs after years of austerity and struggling is to see so many job cuts and so much targeting of the most vulnerable, this really does betray what the party have stood for and atm its shaming them horrendously…Kier Starmer has pledged a huge investment and attention to potholes and their much needed repair…and yes, they have needed repair but when people lose their jobs/are cut from their jobs, they can’t afford to travel or even run a car so those potholes become less and less an investment needed…

[Oliver_W]

Hm, I doubt anyone would argue that the civil service is particularly well-run or good value for money.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…all a nation needs after years of austerity and struggling is to see so many job cuts and so much targeting of the most vulnerable, this really does betray what the party have stood for and atm its shaming them horrendously…Kier Starmer has pledged a huge investment and attention to potholes and their much needed repair…and yes, they have needed repair but when people lose their jobs/are cut from their jobs, they can’t afford to travel or even run a car so those potholes become less and less an investment needed…

I fully accept they inherited the worst possible of any government since the war.

However IF you need to break pledges or have to take more urgent action..
Then for me, the one to break is income tax.

None of this bits here and there, bringing in uncertainty and getting sections of communities and businesses backs up.
Just put income tax up,even for just for 3 to 4 years.
Then look at reducing it again when probable.

No one will like it but realising that would be the only change for a while could have been more palatable.
I've never understood why Parties won't say they'll put up income tax.
We never know what's round the corner and when circumstances may require changes to it.

The Con manifesto of 2019 PROMISED national insurance would never rise under Johnson.
Then he did put it up.
An income tax rise across the board, would give all and more Reeves may need.
I certainly wouldn't object to paying a small percentage extra in tax.

[Beso]

Ministers now recognised civil service numbers
"have gone up and up and in reality
that is not going to be able to continue,"
the source told the BBC


If only they could see and do the same with illegal immigration.

[Beso]

I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.


Sounds like they would be trampling all over the will of the people with that one. Like a dictatorship, so to speak.

[bots]

there are ways of approaching changes to the economy. Labour ran on a manifesto of growth. That was their commitment to the electorate. It's difficult to see how cutting thousands of jobs and making it more expensive for employers to recruit is going to result in growth.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I fully accept they inherited the worst possible if any government since the war.

However IF you need to break pledges or have to take more urgent action..
Then for me, the one to break is income tax.

None of this bits here and there, bringing in uncertainty and getting sections of communities and businesses backs up.
Just put income tax up,even for just for 3 to 4 years.
Then look at reducing it again when probable.

No one will like it but realising that would be the only change for a while could have been more palatable.
I've never understood why Parties won't say they'll put up income tax.
We never know what's round the corner and when circumstances may require changes to it.

The Con manifesto of 2019 PROMISED national insurance would never rise under Johnson.
Then he did put it up.
An income tax rise across the board, would give all and more Reeves may need.
I certainly wouldn't object to paying a small percentage extra in tax.

…yeah it was definitely always going to be a poison chalice’ time in office wasn't it, Joey…but even with that, there has to be seen to be some scales of balance and some reasoning to it all…some positives, if you like…but sadly there doesn’t seem to be that at all …job losses will lead to poor mental health as well as poor physical health and hey ho, the NHS just isn’t functioning anymore …job losses also lead to more poverty and more poverty leads to more crime and hey ho with the struggling prisons as well as police presence having been reduced to the bone over the years….its all just a badly thought out mess…and the world we live in atm is different from in the past in that it’s all media led …/…both mainstreams and social media’s atm, the Labour are having no support from any public area, which is bad for them, yes….but so bad for us as a nation…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

there are ways of approaching changes to the economy. Labour ran on a manifesto of growth. That was their commitment to the electorate. It's difficult to see how cutting thousands of jobs and making it more expensive for employers to recruit is going to result in growth.

Bots, could you please go and get that into Ms Reeve's head.
She for sure isn't listening to her own Party at all.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Bots, could you please go and get that into Ms Reeve's head.
She for sure isn't listening to her own Party at all.

…our Rachel needs to polish up her multi tasking skills, I think…she’s too single focused on choosing her outfit for her free Sabrina Carpenter concert seats, while cutting off hundreds of incomes for many people…gal can’t do everything, Joey….pffftttt…

[Cherie]

I don't know where these extra civil servants are working but it sure isn't in the HMRC, almost 2 years now since Mr C and his partner asked to dissolve their company and it is still ongoing, according to the accountant, 3 years is not unheard of ....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

Only if you believe the Reform propaganda and cherry-picked examples - they're not really doing all that much, immigration is not the problem it's a distraction (a deliberate one).

Tax the mega rich. Tax the corporations. That is the answer, and that's what NO ONE seems willing to do... relying on a myth about "trickle-down economics" that's been long proven to be absolutely bogus. It doesn't happen. There is no trickle-down. The billionaires have our money; not immigrants of any description.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

Labour is doing the wrong thing.


[Tens of thousands of people are stuck in hotels
on the public purse.]

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Only if you believe the Reform propaganda and cherry-picked examples - they're not really doing all that much, immigration is not the problem it's a distraction (a deliberate one).

Tax the mega rich. Tax the corporations. That is the answer, and that's what NO ONE seems willing to do... relying on a myth about "trickle-down economics" that's been long proven to be absolutely bogus. It doesn't happen. There is no trickle-down. The billionaires have our money; not immigrants of any description.

You think hundreds of illegal coming in every day being housed in hotels fed given healthcare and all other manner of goods is propaganda ?

Tax the mega rich but,

The old saying charity begins at home and that’s not what the government is doing and that’s a fact

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You think hundreds of illegal coming in every day being housed in hotels fed given healthcare and all other manner of goods is propaganda ?

Tax the mega rich but,

The old saying charity begins at home and that’s not what the government is doing and that’s a fact

I don't think that it happening is propaganda, or even that plenty of them aren't here illigitimately claiming asylum when they're economic migrants, and I don't even disagree that the systems in place should be better to reduce fraud and speed up processing...

The part that's propaganda is this idea that the nations financial troubles are due to immigration and any associated "strain on the system" - because it really just is clearly not true, it's a small potatoes compared to where the money (and financial assets, and property) is really disappearing to, which we KNOW is into the pockets of billionaires, not immigrants.

It serves them well for people to believe it's the enemy at the gate causing all the problems though, and not the systems that are already firmly in place.