[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"worshipping of Trump"

Joey
not so much now.
It has been reported on the news

No way

Where has he yet actually made a stand against Trump.
He's still a strong supporter of Trump.
Let's wait and see now the elections are over for a year.
Let's see where more of his time goes.

He lied and deceived all through the EU referendum.
His only real mantra is anti immigration.
In fact thats like a cult mantra of most Reform supporters to varying extremes.

Although quite why I'm posting on a Reform thread.I haven't a clue.
I've long given up expecting anything other than anti immigration prejudice from the Reform mob.
Nearly every Reform supporter I've talked to are always just quoting anti immigrant views.
Some in extremely concerning hate filled extreme ways too.
I want nothing to do with any of them..
Family, friend or foe

So I'll bow out of this thread and hope the UK tries to wake up and steps back from the divisive hate filled rhetoric of Reform.
I don't see any human beings on Earth as only unwanted or to be eradicated undesirable numbers.
No way could I allow myself to think that way.
Nor would I want to be associated in any way with that attitude either.

However yes, it looks like anything is now possible for Reform.
Unless both Labour and the Conservatives get better policies going.
Plus all other Parties unite to ensure this Reform mob have as little a chance as possible in future elections.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So do I arista.
As you well know.

Look, Reform have solidly said the NHS has to change from it's core set up from being created.

There's been lots of re-organisation of it over the decades but never on part of it's core principle.
Which is, the NHS being FREE for ALL, at the point of need, through the need until no longer needed.

That's the only thing that hasn't changed.
So if Reform are saying it has to be changed from its core principle.
It's obvious the only core principle left is that's free for all at the point of need.

If Bull, ( seemingly a very appropriate name), is trying to say the core principle has to be changed..
It cannot be that it is to remain free for all at the point of need AND all through the need.

You can be fooled all you wish to be but I'm certainly not.
Farage especially with his hero worshipping of Trump certainly, in my view, shouldn't be trusted ever with our NHS.
The USA system of healthcare is absolutely awful.

It's interesting still though, you will not say you would bet your house and savings on Reform NOT creating a health service more in line with the USA.
I repeat again, I'd bet on them doing exactly that.

The thing is, the tories took policies from ukip to shore up their support several times. They worked with the DUP to get a majority, so it's not a new thing to take other parties policies.

However, with something like the NHS, they could easily change the scope or waiting time to make the NHS less attractive. Smoke and mirrors and all that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

You wanting a fight?

I'm afraid I fight like Conor Benn.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I doubt many people would mind if it was changed to "free for all UK citizens" instead of "free for all" .

It's a slippery slope though.

And personally people's health should always be checked up on for as cheap of a price as possible.

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[The i weekend reveals the results of an
opinion poll which it says reflects rising support
for Reform UK.

It suggests Nigel Farage's party now has
a 10-point lead over Labour
and is 13 points ahead of the Conservatives.]

[arista]

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Benefits claims by households with at least one foreign national have doubled to nearly Ł1 billion a month in the past three years, government figures show.

Households with at least one claimant who is a foreign national received Ł941 million in March this year, up from Ł461 million in March 2022, representing nearly a sixth of the month’s Universal Credit payments.

The figures are likely to reinforce calls for restrictions on benefits for migrants, which Angela Rayner, the Deputy Prime Minister, urged Rachel Reeves to consider in a leaked memo seen by The Telegraph.

Experts suggested the increase reflected a surge in the number of asylum seekers being granted refugee status and in net migration.

Foreign nationals become eligible for Universal Credit and other benefits on the same terms as British citizens once they are granted either indefinite leave to remain or refugee status.

[Livia]

47% of social housing in London is occupied by people who were not born here. 47%. How did that happen?

[Crimson Dynamo]

500 migrants have already crossed the channel today with more expected by the end of the day.

[Zizu]

There will be an explosion of unrest and violence before too long .

It simply can’t continue being as we are a teeny, tiny island almost crashing with people/s who don’t really get on or integrate .


Just needs a spark at the right/wrong time !!


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[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour have failed Britain

[arista]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

500 migrants have already crossed the channel today with more expected by the end of the day.

Sadly it is over 1000's

Nice Weather Day.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Nigel Farage wants the chancellor
to do a complete U-turn on winter
fuel payments so that all pensioners
are eligible, the Daily Express reports.]

[arista]

Zia Yusuf quits as Reform UK chair


[Yusuf is widely credited within Reform
for having professionalised the party,
hiring new people, setting up more branches
and making it run in a more corporate way.

However, he also rubbed some of the Reform
old guard up the wrong way with
his management style.]



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-burqa-ban-row

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Zia Yusuf quits as Reform UK chair


[Yusuf is widely credited within Reform
for having professionalised the party,
hiring new people, setting up more branches
and making it run in a more corporate way.

However, he also rubbed some of the Reform
old guard up the wrong way with
his management style.]



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-burqa-ban-row

He was one of the decent ones, this is a blow for them

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was one of the decent ones, this is a blow for them

Yes its a shame he has gone

[arista]

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The chair of Reform UK has stepped down
after the party's newest MP called
on the prime minister to ban the burqa.

Zia Yusuf had described the idea as "dumb" - losing the
confidence of senior figures within the party,
according to The Times.]

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh dear
what a shame
never mind

[bots]

it's not a political party, it is a limited company

[Livia]

The hysteria swings between "It's like Nazi Germany! Reminiscent if the 30s!" and " They're a joke and won't do 10% of what they promise". So are they worthless and powerless, or are they going to indoctrinate a whole nation? Or maybe they just want our borders closed and British people to be first in the queue for our own money, like me and so many Reform supporters.

[bots]

nobody can have any idea how reform will be if they were to win an election. No-one knows what it will be like in europe by the end of this year, let alone 4 years down the line,

What we need is Teressa May back again, she was strong and stable