[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Other people committing crime and not being tried properly is not an excuse or defence for her. By that logic I could go out and commit a crime and it be okay because people who have done worse haven’t gone to prison for it. Thats not how it works and isn’t a defence.

Do you want people to be tried by the laws that exist or don’t you? You seem confused

I personally don’t agree with the actual law that exists, but it does exist and she broke it with her gross behaviour. Her being a mother, which seems to be one of the biggest defence on this thread, is not an excuse.

[B]Extremely telling those who keep on talking about two tier policing would be happy for someone to receive lesser sentences just because they’ve reproduced.

My goodness what a disgusting and dismissive remark, there are plenty mothers in prison who deserve to be there, the mitigating circumstance in this case is that she LOST a child and thereby could empatise with families losing children in needless circumstances, I dont think anyone has advocated for anyone who has had a child to be given a lessor or suspended sentence, but you know there are plenty MEN who have swerved jail time for GBH and ABH also I dont know what is telling about it, maybe you can expand on your thought process

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My goodness what a disgusting and dismissive remark, there are plenty mothers in prison who deserve to be there, the mitigating circumstance in this case is that she LOST a child and thereby could empatise with families losing children in needless circumstances, I dont think anyone has advocated for anyone who has had a child to be given a lessor or suspended sentence, also I dont know what is telling about it, maybe you can expand on your thought process

Incredible that questioning why someone having child is being used a reason for them not to go to prison is a disgusting take but someone advocating for migrants to burned alive isn’t.

There were plenty of “but she has a 12 year old” used in this thread as a reason why she either shouldn’t have gone to prison or got a suspended sentence and that’s what I’m referring to. This entire thread was starting by you off the back of an article that was saying it was unfair she wasn't allowed home to see her daughter.

It’s telling because those same people are the ones who harm on about a two tier justice system yet are advocating for a racist white woman to be spared jail because she gave birth 12 years ago. Make it make sense.

Obviously it’s horrific she lost a child but plenty of people have lost a child and not turned racist. Migrants in hotels was completely unconnected to a a British born man killing three children. Even if it HAD been a migrant who killed them, saying you didn’t care about all migrants being burned alive is still RACIST because once again you’re using the actions of one migrant to advocate the death of all others. How are you able to justify that?

What if instead of it being a black man to kill the girls it was a Catholic priest and then, in the middle of antisemitic riots off the back of this incident, she went online and advocated for the burning of synagogues? Would you be willing to concede she was a hateful antisemite using her hatred for said group off the back of a horrific incident that was completely unrelated, further putting Jews in danger.

Just to hammer it home for those who have forgotten: not only was the murderer not a migrant, her child didn’t die at the hands of a migrant but yet it was hotels of migrants that were the subject of the tweet?

...but you know there are plenty MEN who have swerved jail time for GBH and ABH

That’s not what the thread is about. I’m not talking about men swerving jail for GBH, nowhere have I spoken about that or said it’s correct?

Nobody should swerve jail for committing a crime. Thats part of my entire point. Why are you acting like I have supported that?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Incredible that questioning why someone having child is being used a reason for them not to go to prison is a disgusting take but someone advocating for migrants to burned alive isn’t.

There were plenty of “but she has a 12 year old” used in this thread as a reason why she either shouldn’t have gone to prison or got a suspended sentence and that’s what I’m referring to. This entire thread was starting by you off the back of an article that was saying it was unfair she wasn't allowed home to see her daughter.

It’s telling because those same people are the ones who harm on about a two tier justice system yet are advocating for a racist white woman to be spared jail because she gave birth 12 years ago. Make it make sense.

Obviously it’s horrific she lost a child but plenty of people have lost a child and not turned racist. Migrants in hotels was completely unconnected to a a British born man killing three children. Even if it HAD been a migrant who killed them, saying you didn’t care about all migrants being burned alive is still RACIST because once again you’re using the actions of one migrant to advocate the death of all others. How are you able to justify that?

What if instead of it being a black man to kill the girls it was a Catholic priest and then, in the middle of antisemitic riots off the back of this incident, she went online and advocated for the burning of synagogues? Would you be willing to concede she was a hateful antisemite using her hatred for said group off the back of a horrific incident that was completely unrelated, further putting Jews in danger.

Just to hammer it home for those who have forgotten: not only was the murderer not a migrant, her child didn’t die at the hands of a migrant but yet it was hotels of migrants that were the subject of the tweet?



That’s not what the thread is about. I’m not talking about men swerving jail for GBH, nowhere have I spoken about that or said it’s correct?

Nobody should swerve jail for committing a crime. Thats part of my entire point. Why are you acting like I have supported that?

Again, I personally have never said she was correct in what she said, what I have said multiple times if you read the thread back is that her sentence was inappropriate to the crime. In addition the thread was started not with regard to her being incarcerated but because she was denied day leave to visit her child you just need to jump to the first page or indeed the title of the thread to see this. With regard to my pointing out that many MEN swerve jail that is in relation to the sentence she got compared to some men actually causing physical harm and getting suspended sentences, there is a very recent one of a Welsh guy who choked his partner and kicked her but because he had no previous he got a suspended sentence, its very hard not to see that this was political. The whole premise of the thread was her being denied day leave not about her original sentence.l

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The whole premise of the thread was her being denied day leave not about her original sentence.l

I know, I said that in my post because it backs up my original position that people wanted special treatment for someone because she was a mother, a position you argued wasn't true.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I know, I said that in my post because it backs up my original position that people wanted special treatment for someone because she was a mother, a position you argued wasn't true.

There were mitigating circumstances in that she LOST a child yes

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There were mitigating circumstances in that she LOST a child yes

I wasn’t referring to the child she lost I was referring to the continued “she has a daughter” and “she has a 12 year old” and the fact you wanted her to be able to go on day release because to see her child.

I’ve seen so many “but she’s a mother” excuses about this woman and it’s not about the lost child it’s about the fact she has a child she’s not able to see.

That’s what I was referring to.

Regardless nobody has been able to explain why she advocating for burning down hotels with migrants in because of a crime committed by a British born man.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I wasn’t referring to the child she lost I was referring to the continued “she has a daughter” and “she has a 12 year old” and the fact you wanted her to be able to go on day release because to see her child.

I’ve seen so many “but she’s a mother” excuses about this woman and it’s not about the lost child it’s about the fact she has a child she’s not able to see.

That’s what I was referring to.

Regardless nobody has been able to explain why she advocating for burning down hotels with migrants in because of a crime committed by a British born man.

They tried yesterday. And failed to explain. Only excuses.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I wasn’t referring to the child she lost I was referring to the continued “she has a daughter” and “she has a 12 year old” and the fact you wanted her to be able to go on day release because to see her child.

I’ve seen so many “but she’s a mother” excuses about this woman and it’s not about the lost child it’s about the fact she has a child she’s not able to see.

That’s what I was referring to.

Regardless nobody has been able to explain why she advocating for burning down hotels with migrants in because of a crime committed by a British born man.

It's cause she wasn't thinking straight after her trauma. Maybe PTSD related.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I wasn’t referring to the child she lost I was referring to the continued “she has a daughter” and “she has a 12 year old” and the fact you wanted her to be able to go on day release because to see her child.

I’ve seen so many “but she’s a mother” excuses about this woman and it’s not about the lost child it’s about the fact she has a child she’s not able to see.

That’s what I was referring to.

Regardless nobody has been able to explain why she advocating for burning down hotels with migrants in because of a crime committed by a British born man.

I didn't actually think that needed explaining as it has been well documented, she tweeted on 29th July the same day as the Southport attacks when rumours were circulating that the man responsible was an illegal immigrant, given the police gave no information about the assailant that is what led to the rumours gaining momentum, nobody knew for sure who had murdered the little girls on the day it happened