[Chrizzle]

That story is so pathetic. Poor woman

[bigbr0ther]

Sounds like this is karma's indirect way of giving her a charge for cruelty.

[Rory]

Seriously, for something as minor as that (and not on purpose as well) she shouldn't have gotten that great of a fine.

Although that apple core did deserve a fine seeing as that was her intention.

[KawaiiSakura1]

Originally posted by Sticks
If the child was complaining about being hungry the mother should have applied a bit of discipline. She could quite easily have waited until they got home.

Your OTT i'm happy your not my mom or dad like i say your so going OTT

[KawaiiSakura1]

Originally posted by Sticks
She had it coming

She should pay up and shut up

When we were young we were never allowed to eat in the streets let alone feed the rats with wings.

I hope she looses at court

OMG your going OTT the pigeons are not Rats and yes she should have payed it but come on i eat in the streets, She had the right to eat in the streets

[Sticks]

Originally posted by KawaiiSakura1
OMG your going OTT the pigeons are not Rats and yes she should have payed it but come on i eat in the streets, She had the right to eat in the streets

Pigeons are considered the equivelant of rats with wings and are a severe health hazard as anyone who has to clean up after them can testify.

We are now seeing the results of allowing people to eat in the street with attacks by herring gulls on people as the gulls steal food out of people's hands, as pictured recently in South Shields. This is beacause people eat in the streets and discard uneaten food on the streets.

If they are passing byelaws against alcohol being drunk in the streets, they could quite easily pass an ordinance banning the eating of food in the streets. It would make the streets cleaner for a start.

[catwoman54]

Originally posted by Sticks

Pigeons are considered the equivelant of rats with wings and are a severe health hazard as anyone who has to clean up after them can testify.

We are now seeing the results of allowing people to eat in the street with attacks by herring gulls on people as the gulls steal food out of people's hands, as pictured recently in South Shields. This is beacause people eat in the streets and discard uneaten food on the streets.

If they are passing byelaws against alcohol being drunk in the streets, they could quite easily pass an ordinance banning the eating of food in the streets. It would make the streets cleaner for a start.

so what your saying is you don't agree with takeaway's also i don't think you said if you have kid's or not?.And pigeons are not rats with wings they have been around longer than you or me.I'm 54 this year and i can tell you this country is on thin ice no one want's to live here anymore.If i were rich I'd be long gone.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sticks

As for sitting on the seafront eating chips, not everyone puts their uneaten chips in the bin, and the smell from the wrappers can be enough to attract vermin.

If I want to eat fish and chips at the coast, there is a nice restaurant I can sit in and eat, out of the weather and away from the flying menaces.

Not every family can afford to go and sit in a restaurant. What is wrong with eating out in the open air? So if I dropped a chip by accident and some council official pounced on me and slapped me with an £80 fine you think that is fair and justifiable?

Say I was out and I fancied a pack of crisps. Should I go into a pub and buy a drink also just for this purpose? Or should I wait until I get home to eat them?

[Sticks]

Not all restaurants are the high society ones, you can get really cheap cafes. If people must eat alfresco, then it should be done at proper picnic areas, which are well regulated.

As for take-aways, I still use them, but I eat either at home, or in the kitchen at my work.

And Pigeons, (Or technically rock doves), may have been here for a long time, but where I live, people used to have to get pigeon netting to keep them away from their balconies, until they were all enclosed, because of the pigeon mess. Pigeons carry all sorts of diseases, just like rats, but they have wings. It was not I who first coined the term, Rats with wings, it had been around quite a while before I heard it.

[Scarlett.]

Pidgeons may be vermin, but why should they be starved? I mean they have been here since Dinosaurs roamed the world, so they have more right to be here than us

I personally like living among pidgeons, it reminds me nature is still around
and people have the right to eat where ever they want, this aint a Communist country

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Chewy
Pidgeons may be vermin, but why should they be starved? I mean they have been here since Dinosaurs roamed the world, so they have more right to be here than us

That is a different argument, but as I pointed out it is not just pigeons who are the problem, but larger birds like gulls, that have been filmed attacking people who are eating in the street, because they have been enticed into towns by people dropping food on the pavement.

It is only a matter of time before a large herring gull seriously injures a small child for it's ice cream.

[Scarlett.]

Its always been like that, Gulls want food, people have food, gull gets food

[Lauren]

Sticks, if I remember correctly you often go to Grainger Market? (Correct me if I am wrong). Don't you feel this is as bad, if not worse, than eating on the streets?

You know as well as I, that the market is not "closed off" and often inhabited by Pigeons. There are fresh meat out on the stalls (and sometimes barely even covered) and some of the bakery stands have sausage rolls out on the main table for people to purchase. Is this not just the same issue?

(And if you say Grainger Market is a regulated food-selling place, yes it is, but not for pigeons).

[Marc]

That story is ridiculous some people need to get a grip.. lets fine the smallest of all crimes and drive home in our big 4 X 4's

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren
Sticks, if I remember correctly you often go to Grainger Market? (Correct me if I am wrong). Don't you feel this is as bad, if not worse, than eating on the streets?

You know as well as I, that the market is not "closed off" and often inhabited by Pigeons. There are fresh meat out on the stalls (and sometimes barely even covered) and some of the bakery stands have sausage rolls out on the main table for people to purchase. Is this not just the same issue?

(And if you say Grainger Market is a regulated food-selling place, yes it is, but not for pigeons).

But I rarely see pigeons there, and then it is the odd one, not like the flocks you see in Trafalgar Square.

Although pigeons are considered a health hazard, (oh btw way I will have to have another look, but I was certain that the backery products were kept under glass), the main problem in recent times has become gulls, who are more vicious, who are being attracted by food dropped in the street.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Sticks
If the child was complaining about being hungry the mother should have applied a bit of discipline. She could quite easily have waited until they got home.

Im no parent, but I am a proud Uncle, and I know what it was like to be a kid, food from other places than home was a nice treat, especially a bag of chips by the sea side, thats why she didnt wait until she got home

[*mazedsalv**]

Sorry, but i find that story pathetic. What is the world coming to! There are so much worse things going on in the world and in the UK!

And since when cant you eat on the street? I havnt seen any laws, unless I fell asleep for too long and missed the new law about not eating on the street! If they didnt want people to eat in the street, why open various burger stools?

[kerri]

The reason i guess was not how the sausage roll ended up on the floor but that she didnt attempt to pick it up after it was, drop something then pick it up, other wise can ya imagine wat we'd have to trawl though just to get down the street x

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks

It is only a matter of time before a large herring gull seriously injures a small child for it's ice cream.

And you would care? I find you quite amusing there is more potential harm to that child through fining thier parent(s) a fixed penalty which you (rather worryingly) wish and hope for.. than the one chance in a million of something with the dexterity of a bird colliding with a grounded toddler.

How much do you exactly stand to win from the posting your views here, as i cant believe these are the thoughts of an independant and free thinking normal person acting alone and not doing it for a bet.

[Sticks]

The chance is more than one in a million, it is becoming more of a hazard.

[Sticks]

From the Yorkshire Post

It seems the Deputy District Judge Simon Hickey has let her off

[Lauren]

Good.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks
From the Yorkshire Post

It seems the Deputy District Judge Simon Hickey has let her off

I prefer the more legal and definately more appropiate term that the judge found her NOT GUILTY.

She hasnt been let off, which is exactly what can be said of the council who stupidly took this all the way to court in what was a ridiculously petty court case and an obscene waste of public money.

I hope the people who vote in that council remember this case when the next elections come up, and get rid of all those responsible, this case simply wreaks of authoritarianism gone mad.
If this council really wants zero tolerance on public disorder then I would expect some councillors to be hauled into offices and given the sack over this, but like most councils officers, we'll see yet again the rules change when its there waste being thrown into public places.

Shameful

[Legend]

I got a £75 fine about a year ago for dropping my chip wrapper, which fair enough I did blatantly throw it on the floor cause I was/am boneidle. But I paid it, and I've not did it since, but the thing that annoys me is you get a £30 fine for using your mobile whilst driving and a 16 year old [I was at the time] got a £75 fine for throwing a chip wrapper ... could my chip wrapper kill somebody or could somebody driving whilst on the phone? The legal system is a joke.