[Nurse57]

For those that go on about winter lights and the like. Have you actually experienced this or just read about it in the Daily Race hate... I mean Mail?

[Sticks]

Strangely enough, when I was looking at this thread prior to loggin in from a public pc, I saw an advert for Muslim Matrimonials

[ange7]

Originally posted by Sticks
Strangely enough, when I was looking at this thread prior to loggin in from a public pc, I saw an advert for Muslim Matrimonials

Stranger still ... you posted the link hoping to make some kind of point ... help me out ... what was your point?... no wait I'm not interested in another smokescreen...don't side step my last posts ... I pretty much accused you of being a racist OR a crazed conspiracy theorist who sees patterns everywhere that tell him "the PC Industry" are "behind everything". Any reply from you?... or from your RACIST REDNECK mate Andyman who said muslins secretly want to take over Britain and turn EVERYONE Muslim. I've been waiting for a week for a decent answer from either you Sticks or you very good friend Andyman. ( lol aren't you the quite one?)

This forum AMAZES me. I got a 24 hour ban for telling someone that being sexually aroused by childlike goo goo ga ga Rachel was akin to being a pedo ... but on this thread someone is trying to incite a religious hate crime but admin do NOTHING. JOKE!.

[Sticks]

I was not really making any point about the link, it just seemed bizarre that it appeared, as when I am logged in I do not see any links to any adverts.

As for race hate or islamophobia, it was pointed out that Muslims did not agree with the initial edict / memo. The councillor complaining said how they respected the Muslim's beliefs, it was their fast being imposed on non muslims she objected to. Our resident Muslim poster also agreed.

I raised this, because at the same time this memo was issued in the London borough of Tower Hamlets, we were issued with "guidance" at work about Ramadan.

My concern is that some "well meaning" person somewhere in Human Resources might decide everyone ought to observe this fast in order to "Value diversity" These are the same people who ban Christmas as it might offend those of other faiths, when those in the other faiths get mystified at us doing it.

These things have happened, like Winterville in Birmingham and schools holding "Mid winter parties" instead of Christmas parties, because someone told them that would offend people of other faiths. It is not the people of other faiths calling for this, but people from the liberal intelligentsia.

I was not getting at Muslims, but those who take it upon them selves who act on their behalf with out finding out if the people they are acting for want them doing so at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
We should respect muslims and their beliefs but that shouldn't happen
I actually can't believe this country at times, its not even a muslim country
I respect peoples beliefs but I wouldn't change the way I live my life to suit different people. They can't ban you from eating

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bloody muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bbE

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bl***y muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Sticks

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

"Our resident Muslim?" So one Muslim represents all of them? This is racism, pure and simple.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Wasn't this originally reported in the Daily Star? They take non-news and blow it way out of proportion for a good story.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

They should have the meetings, but out of respect should not serve food at them.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

I don't see what this has to do with anything.


Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Sticks
From the Daily Mail

I half expect that council to impose these rules on employees as well .


At work we have been "instructed" not to invite Muslims to meetings where there is food, as some of the meetings we do cross lunch time and may require a buffet, I suspect we will not be allowed to order buffets, so as not to cause offence.

Or should we be fasting and giving up lunch/ tea breaks etc. so our Muslim colleagues religious views are respected?


Note, most Muslims have not asked for this, this came from the PC brigade

The bit I have highlighted is the part that causes this type of problem, and sparks anger. I would say that this request has almost certainly not come from any Muslim, but somebody with far too much time on their hands.

No - non Muslims should not be made to observe Ramadam. Nobody should be made to observe any part of any religion.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther

"Our resident Muslim?" So one Muslim represents all of them? This is racism, pure and simple.

I was referring to Fahad, as a resident Muslim, because he is the nearest we have to an expert witness. I was not inferring any racial derogative.

Also this charge of racism is not really accurate as a person of my ethnic group can in theory convert to Islam. The term would be Islamophobic. However I have good conversations about religion and spiritual matters with the proprietor of the local Halal Fish and chip shop.

BTW for reference it was the Daily Mail I first saw this in, but it was covered in other papers. Also we were given certain instructions at work, which caused some stress when I first read through the instructions.

[bananarama]

Quote....bigbrother said: Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.



Sorry your logic is seriously flawed......Out of respect we should have the decency not to eat in front of muslims during their fasting......Pure rubbish.......

Respect is a two way street..If we should respect their culture then they should also respect other peoples cultures and out of RESPECT EAT as a matter of decency that they respect other peoples culture.......

Why is it in the minds of some that respect has to be from one side only.......Liike I said a seriously flawed and I might add racialistic form of logic.....

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Sticks

I was referring to Fahad, as a resident Muslim, because he is the nearest we have to an expert witness. I was not inferring any racial derogative.

Also this charge of racism is not really accurate as a person of my ethnic group can in theory convert to Islam. The term would be Islamophobic. However I have good conversations about religion and spiritual matters with the proprietor of the local Halal Fish and chip shop.

BTW for reference it was the Daily Mail I first saw this in, but it was covered in other papers. Also we were given certain instructions at work, which caused some stress when I first read through the instructions.

You wouldn't like it if someone claimed to represent your beliefs. If you were in any minority, and newspapers were reporting what YOU believed inaccurately (thinking all people of that minority thought the same way) you wouldn't like it.

Originally posted by bananarama
Quote....bigbrother said: Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.



Sorry your logic is seriously flawed......Out of respect we should have the decency not to eat in front of muslims during their fasting......Pure rubbish.......

Respect is a two way street..If we should respect their culture then they should also respect other peoples cultures and out of RESPECT EAT as a matter of decency that they respect other peoples culture.......

Why is it in the minds of some that respect has to be from one side only.......Liike I said a seriously flawed and I might add racialistic form of logic.....

Respect IS a two way street. If Christianity had a period of fasting, I would say that out of respect for Christians, Muslims should not eat in front of them during that fasting.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

what Im saying is the papers generally twist things especially the likes of the Mail. What was probably a discussion on race relations policy regarding fasting turned ino "theyre going to make non-muslims fast"! It happens all the time and the "angry mob" swallow it

[letmein]

I'd like to see the e-mail myself. This sounds like typical Daily Mail rubbish.

[Ruth]

Let's be honest - you can't believe anything you read in the Daily Mail, which is so far right, it's about to fall off.

A lot of the stuff they have printed about Muslims has been proven to be incorrect. The problem is a lot of people don't like to let the facts get in the way of a good rant about Muslims.