[M X]

100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

[Fom]

Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

[Z]

Originally posted by Fom

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

Exactly. It just comes across to me as if gay people don't really know when they've crossed a line; in theory there should be no boundaries for anyone, but in reality we have to respect other people's beliefs. Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them, gay people shouldn't be then fighting for the right to get married, which is a religious thing, when the Church is so deeply against homosexuality, it just causes resentment and less tolerance. I agree with Fom's point that you don't need to be married to be together forever; it's just giving a name to something that many people already have and don't feel the need to name. I just think gay marriage is a pointless thing to be fighting for.

[Lauren]

To be fair to Fom and Zee - the argument for "gay marriage" doesn't tend to involve the religious ceremony, it's mainly civil rights to actually get "married" as in... be in a marriage, "civil partnership".

[Z]

Originally posted by Lauren
To be fair to Fom and Zee - the argument for "gay marriage" doesn't tend to involve the religious ceremony, it's mainly civil rights to actually get "married" as in... be in a marriage, "civil partnership".

I'm really just arguing the point about "marriage" as a concept, as the topic's called gay marriage. I don't really see the point in marriage in general; so I find gay people "fighting" for the right to get married really pointless. I don't take issue with civil partnerships/marriage, but it just seems ridiculous to me, I can't think of any benefits that being married/in a civil partnership has over being in a committed relationship.

[Tom]

Against. Yes I said it.

Gay Marriage is a contradiction in terms. Marriage = religious. Gay = against religion.

But I have nothing against civil partnerships for rights etc ... I think thats fine. I just can't stand the term gay marriage.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ***********

same, i don't believe it is right to be gay...
Evolution works by a male and a female.

So, what? Homosexuality is unnatural?

[LemonJam]

Marriage, no. Civil Partnerships, yes.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Zee

Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ***********

Evolutionary it is unnatural.
But it depends what term the word natural is used.
As natural can depend on a persons belief.
Homosexuals are shown to have similar brain activity to that of females. Thus suggesting that some thought processes are innate. But as far as evolutionary is concerned, no i believe it to be unnatural.

Well I don't choose to like men, so yeah, it's pretty natural.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Fom

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. Get out a history book.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Zee

Exactly. It just comes across to me as if gay people don't really know when they've crossed a line; in theory there should be no boundaries for anyone, but in reality we have to respect other people's beliefs. Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them, gay people shouldn't be then fighting for the right to get married, which is a religious thing, when the Church is so deeply against homosexuality, it just causes resentment and less tolerance. I agree with Fom's point that you don't need to be married to be together forever; it's just giving a name to something that many people already have and don't feel the need to name. I just think gay marriage is a pointless thing to be fighting for.

Thanks for this, Board Bigot. Jesus. No wonder why Britain's in the bin!

[Arneldo]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally posted by Shaun
Yes or no?

In California it is NO.

Now made Illegal again.

[Stu]

Their are some utterly messed up viewpoints in this thread. Again, may I point out that...

Originally posted by Stu
Have you read the Bible? It is not exactly crazy for children, blacks or women either. Depends which part you pick and mix to call your 'faith'.

[Fom]

Having a civil partnership is the perfect answer in my opinion, it gives the religious groups nothing to fight against and the couple gets to marry. I am completely for being gay, I think you can't help who you fall in love with.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Zee

Hahahahahaha.

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

[Z]

Originally posted by MrGaryy

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

Yeah; women and blacks should be thankful that men are tolerant to them because of the historical context. Women, gays, blacks, Jews and many other groups of people have historically been oppressed by white men; I think it's a good thing that these groups have gained more equality in recent times, if that makes sense, I didn't mean it in a "they should just be thankful for what they've got" kind of way. Yeah the Bible does teach that; but in practice, radical Christians perpetuated a lot of myths that caused these stereotypes as a result of their "interpretations" of the Bible.

Originally posted by letmein

Thanks for this, Board Bigot. Jesus. No wonder why Britain's in the bin!

I'd like you to point out where I've been a bigot in my post? I've not been homophobic or disrespectful. I don't really appreciate being blamed for the state of Britain based on my views of gay marriage .

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

As far as I'm aware, 08marsh wasn't being serious in what they said, I read it as a joke and therefore laughed; however; just because I am against racism does not automatically mean I'm against homophobia. I am, but that's neither here nor there.

[Shaun]

First a small thought before I quote some others, I totally agree with Lauren in that the majority of reasons for gay marriage is the legal side of it. Some members seem to be throwing the "religious" aspect back at us, but there hasn't been a good answer to the question:

What right does an unloving straight couple have to get married, and as a result have legal and monetary benefits and security, over a loving gay one?

Originally posted by Zee

Yeah; women and blacks should be thankful that men are tolerant to them because of the historical context. Women, gays, blacks, Jews and many other groups of people have historically been oppressed by white men; I think it's a good thing that these groups have gained more equality in recent times, if that makes sense, I didn't mean it in a "they should just be thankful for what they've got" kind of way. Yeah the Bible does teach that; but in practice, radical Christians perpetuated a lot of myths that caused these stereotypes as a result of their "interpretations" of the Bible.

Hmm. I'm not sure if it's in the hands of women/blacks/jews/gays to be thankful. Moreso in the hands of the men/whites/christians/straights to be ashamed and apologetic.

History is indeed a vast thing, and after hundreds, even thousands of years of persecution towards all sorts of people, it is great that it's all behind us now - but there shouldn't be a sense of gratitude.

Originally posted by Zee

As far as I'm aware, 08marsh wasn't being serious in what they said, I read it as a joke and therefore laughed; however; just because I am against racism does not automatically mean I'm against homophobia. I am, but that's neither here nor there.

I think you'll want to be careful in future when quoting 08marsh as a source of informed, rational and unhateful (yet simultaneously hilarious) behaviour, because, going by the entirety of what he posts, he's not one of those traits, let alone all.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Fom
Having a civil partnership is the perfect answer in my opinion, it gives the religious groups nothing to fight against and the couple gets to marry. I am completely for being gay, I think you can't help who you fall in love with.

But gay people aren't happy with a civil partnerships - that's the whole point of gay marriage and why it's being fought for and why it's a huge issue right now. They want to be treated as equals. Civil partnerships are still "seperate but equal".

And can I just say - marriage was around long before Christianity thankyou very much. Too be honest, the church have no business butting in and getting involved. That's why I'm all for seperation of Church and State.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Woahhh! just woahhh!

[Lauren]

Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony? Because the only difference is the religious aspect. Why would they want to be married in the eyes of the God that see's them as sinners?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Lauren
Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony? Because the only difference is the religious aspect. Why would they want to be married in the eyes of the God that see's them as sinners?

Because some have faith anyway, and respect the fact that they are sinners. Plus, again, seriously, their are SO many ways to interpret the bible. Churches often dont like gays. The jury is out on what god thinks.

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
First a small thought before I quote some others, I totally agree with Lauren in that the majority of reasons for gay marriage is the legal side of it. Some members seem to be throwing the "religious" aspect back at us, but there hasn't been a good answer to the question:

What right does an unloving straight couple have to get married, and as a result have legal and monetary benefits and security, over a loving gay one?

Hmm. I'm not sure if it's in the hands of women/blacks/jews/gays to be thankful. Moreso in the hands of the men/whites/christians/straights to be ashamed and apologetic.

History is indeed a vast thing, and after hundreds, even thousands of years of persecution towards all sorts of people, it is great that it's all behind us now - but there shouldn't be a sense of gratitude.

I think you'll want to be careful in future when quoting 08marsh as a source of informed, rational and unhateful (yet simultaneously hilarious) behaviour, because, going by the entirety of what he posts, he's not one of those traits, let alone all.

A couple, regardless of the genders, who are wanting to get married in a church, surely love each other to go to the expense of arranging a wedding? Marriage is a serious commitment, people that marry and don't love each other are making a mockery of it. I don't see the point in marriage personally, most people who get married in a Church that I know aren't religious, it's hypocritical to get married in a church if you don't believe in the faith, or if you are homosexual, to get married in a church that openly disapproves of homosexuality. That is my issue with gay marriage; it's degrading and demeaning for all parties involved; the couple and the church.

White men aren't going to be ashamed or apologetic for things that their forefathers did; am I expected to feel humbled for things that I didn't do? No; but people who face inequalities in the work place can be thankful for the improvements in equality that have been made in recent times; that's not to say that they should feel anything at all, but the option is there.

[Stu]

Again, religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Gay couples might be Christian, and might believe in many Christian virtues, but not the whole gay bashing thing.