[Kaz]

THEY WILL ALL BE LABELLED UNTALENTED WANNABES
ELIZABETH'S FINAL VERDICT
Elizabeth Woodcock

JONNY, Kate, Jade and Alex have emerged into a world they will not recognise.

They all looked pretty shocked in their eviction interviews but, happily, the crowd was all cheers - except for when Tim walked on the stage and the booing returned. Poor bloke.

I was amazed at the result. I had it down as Jonny, Jade, then a really close one between Alex and Kate. In the event, Kate became the first female winner and good for her. She was the perfect Big Brother contestant, a balance of all the necessary attributes to win.

Attractive, funny enough, sufficiently sensitive, not overtly bitchy, drunk frequently and an unthreatening flirt. People could identify with her and she made them laugh.

Alex was probably not easy-going enough, Jonny too normal and Jade, well, was she ever in the running?

How Kate plays it now depends on what she wants. If it's lots of cash then she should take all that is offered, from opening supermarkets to film premieres. If she wants a longer media career, she should secure an influential agent and do what they say.

She could just walk away with the £70,000, but that won't happen. Too many people will want a piece of the action - and she'll be ready to party after nine weeks of confinement.

Kate, Alex and Jonny are definitely winners in the future career stakes, plus Alison, Spencer and maybe PJ.

But Adele, Lynne, Lee, Sophie, Sandy and definitely Tim are the baddies, the losers who will find it hard to make a bob or two. They'll come in for the most criticism, labelled, like all BB contestants, as untalented wannabes.

All I can say is have a thick skin and smile. I do find it amazing that you can provide weeks of entertainment only to be stripped to pieces by the press. Maybe it's because the contestants aren't anything special.

Jade is a different case to the other housemates. Do we hate her, love her, or feel sorry for her? Let's face it, she did add most of the entertainment value to the show.

As Jade lapped up the cheers on the BB stage, Davina assured her 'the nation loves you'. But I'd love to sit on her shoulder for the next year to see the reaction to her and her reaction to how she was portrayed.

How will she feel when she reads headlines like 'Slaughter the pig'? What will she think when she sees comedian Graham Norton, who hugged her as she came out of the house, mimicking her on TV in a naked fat suit only the night before? She's just a young, uneducated, harmless lass after all.

BB3 has been the most popular yet. Next year's lot are probably recording their audition tapes already. They know they'd be loved and they are sure they could win. But, beware - BB4 will probably be even meaner and badder, because Channel Four now have to beat those eight million votes and record viewing figures.

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I do find it amazing that you can provide weeks of entertainment only to be stripped to pieces by the press.

Elizabeth still seems very bitter about the way she was portrayed during BB2, but she does make a good point. I'm sure it won't be too long before the post-BB euphoria dies down and, like last year, the tabloids turn their back on the housemates.

[KateRules]

I think she makes some good points.Very few come out of it with their credibility intact. Some HM's a thoroughly nice people but get villified by the likes of Graham Norton for being "boring"

I also read Josh saying that only 3 of last years HM's have got secure jobs now so its definately the case that the media can make you or break you

I feel sorry for Jonny who came 2nd yet sees Jade and Alex making big bucks while he returns to his old job.The experience has affected him badly but it seems Kate has handled it very well and even though she's had some negative headlines she doesnt seem bothered at all

[kaphc]

I always had a lot of time for Elizabeth's opinions, even if she did become a bit "above" some of the rest in the last couple of weeks of BB2. It's interesting to see who she has down as the winners and the losers in terms of the money they may or may not make.

I would certainly add Sophie to the "winners" category, as I am sure she stands a good chance of media or advertising work.

[Amy]

I think Elizabeth said it all there and i agree with her

[Mairi]

Originally posted by kaphc
I would certainly add Sophie to the "winners" category, as I am sure she stands a good chance of media or advertising work.

I agree with you there, kaphc. I'm sure Sophie will do extremely well. No way was she a "baddie". She just made the mistake of bonding with the one person and then, when he left, she felt like a fish out of water.

I think, if she'd stayed a bit longer, she may have "shone" more, especially as Kate very kindly took her under her wing. She does seem to be a very nice person and I wish her lots of luck in the future (with or without Lee!!).

Originally posted by Kaz
Attractive, funny enough, sufficiently sensitive, not overtly bitchy, drunk frequently and an unthreatening flirt. People could identify with her and she made them laugh.

Fair enough...

Alex was probably not easy-going enough,

Understatement of the year!

How will she (Jade) feel when she reads headlines like 'Slaughter the pig'? What will she think when she sees comedian Graham Norton, who hugged her as she came out of the house, mimicking her on TV in a naked fat suit only the night before?

It's amazing what a few £-signs can do to make you take it on the chin, eh?

[cc100]

elizabeth?

the bitter twisted and spiteful most two faced contestant who tried to turn helen off paul??

[bananarama]

The one that tried to turn Helen against Paul the most was Brian. People forgave or even turned a blind eye to that fact. So why not forgive Elizabeth who really was doing no more than gossiping about a juicy piece of info that Paul himself had provided. There are no real villains here. just people who make mistaken judgments. like all of us do.........

[LEE]

There are no real villains here. just people who make mistaken judgments. like all of us do.

I agree 100% bananarama.

I NEVER had a problem with Elizabeth and have always thought that the reputation she got last year was uncalled for.

[Mairi]

Forgive Elizabeth, bananarama?

Hmmm, can I get back to you on that one?

[Romantic Old Bird]

FORGIVE ELIZABETH??????
That, my dear, is completely and utterly impossible.

She is elitist and manipulative and she knew exactly HOW to misrepresent Paul.

The lad made one ill-conceived statement in the process of trying to rationalise what he thought was his own 'out of order' behaviour towards another blokes girl.

She was so triumphant when he was evicted I could have throttled her.

Then she told Helen to stop snivelling 10 minutes later!


I mean, AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!

And don't start me on Brian!!!!

Originally posted by Romantic old bird
And don't start me on Brian!!!!

Do you mean Brian as in "He'd fancy anything with blonde hair and a v****a"?

[bananarama]

Hmmm, can I get back to you on that one?

Promises promises

I too never had a real problem with Elizabeth. I thaught she was a bit toffy nosed. But compared to some of the lot in this years BB then Elizabeth is nothing short of an angel...

Aggggggghh. I must sack my therapist immediately.....

[James]

I don't really dislike anyone I know in real life so I'm not going to start disliking them from what I see on a TV show. It's a pity, I think, that because some Big Brother housemates are liked, there have to be some that are disliked.

I too thought Elizabeth was OK. She did about 4 or 5 things that really wound me up, mind you, but I saw those as isolated incidents in the 9 weeks. She provided the balance in the house to the lively, more active ones, a balance that was missing this year.

There's a difference between how someone comes across on television, when interacting with others, and what they're like in real life.

I think a lot of people would get on well with Elizabeth if they were forced to spend a lot of time with her. When I see some of the highbrow cultural reference points that people sometimes use to discuss things here, I kind of think they would enjoy her company in a situation like that and discuss Shakespearean sonnets or politics or something with her rather than the more 'wafer-thin' topics of the other housemates.

[Romantic Old Bird]

James, I agree that in real life I actively dislike very few people indeed. If I found myself in that unfortunate position, I would try to sort things out in an amicable fashion, or make sure I didn't need to be in their company.

I am quite a softie really!

My feelings about Elizabeth are based on her air of continued superiority.

I remember the derogatory discussions of 'wafer-thin' subject matter which she had with Dean, the 'I could feel the shutters coming down and the plug coming out of the socket' statement and many others. 'I DO NOT AGREE!!' when someone said they liked Anna Kournikova. As if it mattered if she agreed!

The feeble 'I was drunk and can't remember' excuse when Paul tackled her on BBLB, despite her smug smile when she saw Helen's face crumple. Rubbish, she stuck the knife in and enjoyed it. At least Brian admitted he didn't like Paul.

She may have been a 'stabilising influence', but she and Dean imposed a quiet and stultefying dictatorship over the housemates.
She set herself up as the moral voice of the house. Yet, it was Big Brother - not a church outing to the Lake District!

All intellectual snobbery of the worst kind.

I am absolutely positive I could converse very effectively with her in person, and I would welcome the opportunity to do so. She would certainly not find me quite as easy, trusting or sycophantic as her housemates were last year. It would however be entirely civil.

Oh, just to have that chance!

We did have the advantage of seeing her from all angles which her housemates did not. Hence the 2% vote.

I know it was only a game show, but she was an absolute nightmare.

I say again, AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH.

Now back to work!

[dizzy bint]

It seems that people do read a lot into the actions of people in the house, more than was originally intended.

I am sure that Elizabeth would make a very good dinner guest and am also sure that the only reason she only got 2% of the vote was that she was not perceived as being exciting enough for the (mostly) young audience or any of the audience when compared to Helen and Brian.

I have been coming on to this site for a little while now and have noticed that most of the posts and topics have a complete bias towards Helen and Paul and this is put across in a very forthright manner.

The title of this website is Thisisbigbrother.com but should be Paulandhelen.com.

[cc100]

good idea

[cc100]

i agree about brian being worse than elizabet but she is supposed to be the intellectual one, at least brian admitted it,
n e way they were all wrong.

[Glitter_babe]

Elizabeth still seems very bitter about the way she was portrayed during BB2, but she does make a good point

I feel sorry for Elizabeth - she got a really crappy deal when she came out, and was slated and ripped to shreds, for doing what?? Having one conversation with Helen about Paul, when they'd all been drinking?

I liked Helen, but to be honest with you, and no disrespect meant, she would have driven me mad in the last week going on about Paul (which she did, and Elizabeth was sick of it, so she tried to put it to her, because she was trying to say Paul wasn't as great as he seems.)

I can't say I would have reacted the same - i would have probably told her to stop talking about Paul 24/7 and leave it at that, but she told her - I don't think there was any true malice in her telling Helen, I just think, that none of them knowing what was happening outdside, Elizabeth felt she was preparing her for the worst.

Not worth a public slating at all, and, as has been said, Brian was a bigger Paul critic, and it's never been mentioned.

As for Paul confronting her on TV, I'm sorry, but i found that cringe worthy, and was wishing he wouldn't do it - that was something he and Elizabeth could have discussed in private, he made abigger deal of it than there was.

I'm not directly critising Paul or anyone else, I' just trying to point out that Elizabeth wasn't the devil.

Also, the treatment she got on her departure - the producers chose her a classical song didnt they? I thought that was portraying more the big 'gap' between Elizabeth and the common woman there seemed to be, and some of my friends were more vicious after that "And the tune when shecame out, for god's sake, who does she think she is..." like it was her fault.
Davina was pretty much dissinterested in Elizabeth, lets face it, and she as engaging as she was with some others - everyone hasthere favourites, but Davina is a (very good) professional, and I think she could have done more with her interview. (But that was a long time ago, and I don't remember exactly what happened - I just remember what I thought at the time.)

I never had a problem with Elizabeth - I liked her, she was level headed, she was quieter than the rest, but that shouldn't make her boring and useless - she was just different. You may argue, but I'm fairly sure that, if you think about it, a house full of entertainers and hyperactivity, like Brian and Helen, would have driven the country mad - you need more 'stable' people like Elizabeth, and Dean.

I think thats where this years was slightly unbalanced - there were a few more entertainers, and they all competed against each other in the first few weeks.

As for the article itself, I think her views are very astute, and I like reading her articles, and I agree with most of what she says. Yes, she comes across as slightly bitter, but after her treatment, I don't blame her, I think I would be slightly bitter under the circumstances.

[Romantic Old Bird]

That's fine. We all hold differing views. Healthy.

As I mentioned to Lee early on in BB3 - Elizabeth was in fact preferable to most of this years inmates.

Let's leave it at that.

[LEE]

I never had a problem with Elizabeth - I liked her, she was level headed, she was quieter than the rest, but that shouldn't make her boring and useless - she was just different. You may argue, but I'm fairly sure that, if you think about it, a house full of entertainers and hyperactivity, like Brian and Helen, would have driven the country mad - you need more 'stable' people like Elizabeth, and Dean.

I've said something similar on quite a few threads before Glitterbabe. Elizabeth and Dean added variety to the BB2 house and the thought of a house full of Helens and Brians just does my head in.

I have never had a problem with Elizabeth and also quite liked her in the house. I didn't really get involved in posting on boards until after BB2 had finished and was absolutely amazed to read some of the comments that had been made and the amount of vitriol directed at her.

Yes, she comes across as slightly bitter, but after her treatment, I don't blame her, I think I would be slightly bitter under the circumstances

I also think that Elizabeth writes well and I agree with you again Glitterbabe that under the circumstances, considering the reaction she got for - in my opinion for no good reason - she is very restrained in her condemnations.

[Janette]

Ok I'm going to put in my four-penneth now!

Elizabeth was the mother of the house, and very well liked by the housemates. Unfortunately, I think she was slightly jealous of the Helen/Paul relationship and sadly her jealousy got the better of her when she told Helen about the 60/40.

But the past is the past, and I agree that Elizabeth has been treated badly by the press since she left the house.

She has been writing about the BB3 housemates and although she does still seem rather bitter about her experiences, she has been very astute and perceptive, and I've enjoyed reading her articles.

So let's cut her some slack! Ok she was a bit pedantic and sometimes a little bit insensitive with Helen, but that was a year ago, I'm sure she's changed a lot since then.

Don't forget, Stuart came across really badly in the house, and now we find that he is a very nice guy who loves his family and does work for charity in his spare time.


Sorry, rant over!

I thought Liz was a bit two-faced last year, but compared to Adele she is a little sweetie!

Her analysis isn't that good. Her verdict on P&H at the end of BB last year was that they will always be friends but somehow she did not see them as anything more serious.

Also many of her articles have been moans.

All that said, my main problem with Betty last year was that she was not entertaining. Whilst Dean was the house "father" and Mr Sensible, at least his humour made him entertaining. Ultimately I found him funny long after Brian's "demon" jokes had worn off. His mickey-take of Brian's tone deaf rendition of "Lean on Me" on Paul's last night was priceless!

He also persuaded Brian and Elizabeth not to interfere between H&P in week 8, saying that what they see may not be what Helen and Paul see.

And, like Craig from series one, Kate, Jonny and Alison, he was never nasty to anyone. I found Liz quite impatient, especially where Paul was concerned, hence the row over Anna Kournikova (though I can't see the attraction there myself).

Still we are all entitled to our opinions.

[steve_o]

originally posted by oldgit

Anna Kournikova (though I can't see the attraction there myself).

Oh I can, I'm with Paul on that one.

[Romantic Old Bird]

Originally posted by steve_o
originally posted by oldgit

Oh I can, I'm with Paul on that one.

Guess which two videos are side by side in WHS today?

This one:



and this one:




Bet Mr Clarke never dreamed his dream girl would be rubbing shoulders with and outdazzling Miss K!