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Originally posted by Oooo_get_her
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Originally posted by ElProximo
In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.
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What?? What in the name of coco-pops are you blithering about? Feminism should have been about "social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty"?? Those WERE the things that were celebrated about women before - the problem was they were celebrated at the expense of concepts like women being as intelligent as men, women being able to control their own finances, women being able to live without the 'protection' (read 'control') of a man, etc. Have you no idea of what life was like for women before the 1950's? Don't you realise that the only way for the VAST majority of women in the western world to get on was to latch on to a man. And God help them if they picked the wrong man because there was virtually no way of getting rid of the fecker without becoming a social pariah.
THAT is was feminism was about - women were celebrated and idolised for the things you speak of, but they were also limited to only achieving in those areas.
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Originally posted by ElProximo
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
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even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..
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Just not true. You are talking about the very recent and relatively small concept of the 'ladette' - trust me, this is not what most women aspire to be - that's microcosmic to Britain (and perhaps Ireland as a knock on effect of sharing so much media) and even then it is far from universal. I spend a lot of time in the US and I live on the European continent and that is just not mainstream here (or there) at all. You are taking your own expereince (perhaps) and applying it universally, inaccurately.
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Originally posted by ElProximo
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.
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I think you must have a very poor outlook on life to believe that and to blame it on feminism. You might as well say that black Americans are to blame for their own social problems and would be better off if they had never left the cotton fields! It's a ridiculous statement.
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A very well stated and intelligent response! I agree with every word! Very well said!!
09-08-2009, 09:27 AM
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