[Kazanne]

Originally posted by gothic_gangsta
i like her. i dont understand what she has done

what has she done????

Perhaps we could start with exactly why you like her

[Kazanne]

Marcus is far cleverer than people are giving him credit for,i was impressed when he told freddie not to take on Beas'worries' in the house as he(freddie) is taking all the hits for her,how observant was that,Liking Marcus,Freddie and Siavash

[Claymores]

Originally posted by kazanne

Perhaps we could start with exactly why you like her

Can I start

Cos she strongly dislikes Halfarse and she really irritates him

[bigmalky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW3mgdqtGkM

This was after Lisa constantly told him to shut up every time he spoke even when he wasn't talking to her, influenced the nominations blatantly by writing initials and telling everyone that she couldn't stand Freddie.

This was a point when Freddie had pretty much done nothing to provoke anyone other than singing and talking rubbish. Be sure that I only slightly like him at this point but this is the way Lisa was with him all the time since she decided he was on her hitlist.

Listen to the venom in her words closer to the end of the video. If you choose not to watch then it seems people condone outright bullying on these forums and I'll keep my opinions to myself. Bullying is what causes children to develop social problems and adults develop complexes and is a vile way to treat anyone. Whoever has a gameplan does not matter, it's how you conduct yourself in it that makes an impression.

Thank you.

[gothic_gangsta]

[jet]

Originally posted by bigmalky

Marcus has 2 real friends in the house. Lisa has influenced many. Marcus doesn't go to Charlie, Rodrigo or Dogface in the house and talk behind Lisa's back. It's hardly a fair situation to say that Marcus is gameplanning when he knows he doesn't have the resources.

She is horrible. How would you like to be talked over at everything you tried to say, singled out of an entire group, tapped on the head and told you were paranoid and talked about behind your back for weeks on end? If you were in the house and on the recieving end of that, it would be a different story.

Lisa isn't the only one who talks over people - everyone talks behind people's backs - and what about Bea and Halfwit's back stabbing in the DR? Lisa does NOT do that!

Halfwit WAS being paranoid - and a tap on the head akin to murder, is it? Is his head made of delicate fine bone china or something? What about Halfwit taunting and mocking Lisa, laughing in her face and insisting she has a gameplan? That was worse than anything Lisa did to him. What about his precious Queen Bee saying how horrible Lisa is, that she is like a cockroach you can't get rid of?
And Lisa didn't single him out - he singled himself out by his irritating and condescending behaviour. Most of the HM's couldn't stand him - remember?
ALL of the HM's have shown a 'not nice' side at one time or another. Some are more vocal than others, some are more sly than others.

Yet Lisa is the one who is hated and reviled, who gets horrible homophobic remarks made about her. People post that she hopes she gets lung cancer, that she is a benefit fraudster, that's she an ugly ***** etc.

It's ridiculous - and all that because she got pissed off with Halfwits patronizing manner and victim act 6 weeks ago and lost the head. Methinks that was just an excuse for some people to find justification to hate on her, as i've said all along.

[jet]

Originally posted by bigmalky

Marcus has 2 real friends in the house. Lisa has influenced many. Marcus doesn't go to Charlie, Rodrigo or Dogface in the house and talk behind Lisa's back. It's hardly a fair situation to say that Marcus is gameplanning when he knows he doesn't have the resources.

She is horrible. How would you like to be talked over at everything you tried to say, singled out of an entire group, tapped on the head and told you were paranoid and talked about behind your back for weeks on end? If you were in the house and on the recieving end of that, it would be a different story.

Lisa isn't the only one who talks over people - everyone talks behind people's backs - and what about Bea and Halfwit's back stabbing in the DR? Lisa does NOT do that!

Halfwit WAS being paranoid - and a tap on the head akin to murder, is it? Is his head made of delicate fine bone china or something? What about Halfwit taunting and mocking Lisa, laughing in her face and insisting she has a gameplan? That was worse than anything Lisa did to him. What about his precious Queen Bee saying how horrible Lisa is, that she is like a cockroach you can't get rid of?
And Lisa didn't single him out - he singled himself out by his irritating and condescending behaviour. Most of the HM's couldn't stand him - remember?
ALL of the HM's have shown a 'not nice' side at one time or another. Some are more vocal than others, some are more sly than others.

Yet Lisa is the one who is hated and reviled, who gets horrible homophobic remarks made about her. People post that she hopes she gets lung cancer, that she is a benefit fraudster, that's she an ugly ***** etc.

It's ridiculous - and all that because she got pissed off with Halfwits patronizing manner and victim act 6 weeks ago and lost the head. Methinks that was just an excuse for some people to find justification to hate on her, as i've said all along.

[bigmalky]

Originally posted by jet

Lisa isn't the only one who talks over people - everyone talks behind people's backs - and what about Bea and Halfwit's back stabbing in the DR? Lisa does NOT do that!

Halfwit WAS being paranoid - and a tap on the head akin to murder, is it? Is his head made of delicate fine bone china or something? What about Halfwit taunting and mocking Lisa, laughing in her face and insisting she has a gameplan? That was worse than anything Lisa did to him. What about his precious Queen Bee saying how horrible Lisa is, that she is like a cockroach you can't get rid of?
And Lisa didn't single him out - he singled himself out by his irritating and condescending behaviour. Most of the HM's couldn't stand him - remember?
ALL of the HM's have shown a 'not nice' side at one time or another. Some are more vocal than others, some are more sly than others.

Yet Lisa is the one who is hated and reviled, who gets horrible homophobic remarks made about her. People post that she hopes she gets lung cancer, that she is a benefit fraudster, that's she an ugly ***** etc.

It's ridiculous - and all that because she got p****d off with Halfwits patronizing manner and victim act 6 weeks ago and lost the head. Methinks that was just an excuse for some people to find justification to hate on her, as i've said all along.

You do talk mince. Halfwit did not deserve the crap he got from Lisa... In fact let me look for more evidence that she's been nasty, I'm sure Ghostface posted a whole page of them. I don't believe some of the comments made about Lisa are founded nor do I respect them. I also do not respect bullies and will never like the way Lisa has acted toward more than one individual in the house and not just Freddie.

You don't have to get so up in arms about it though. It is after all a game. Being slightly patronising now and again is forgivable in the real world, but mentally abusing someone just because you don't like them is not an excuse.

[bigmalky]

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...168b3e/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a1a32f/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...75ad57/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a3b9af/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...8f052b/play.c4

Have a look and condone it all you like. It will never change your minds but try to picture yourself on the recieving end. I'm done with this thread if all you want to do is stick up for behaviour that tears down the moral fibres of this once great nation and causes depression in children and adults alike.

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by bigmalky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW3mgdqtGkM

This was after Lisa constantly told him to shut up every time he spoke even when he wasn't talking to her, influenced the nominations blatantly by writing initials and telling everyone that she couldn't stand Freddie.

This was a point when Freddie had pretty much done nothing to provoke anyone other than singing and talking rubbish. Be sure that I only slightly like him at this point but this is the way Lisa was with him all the time since she decided he was on her hitlist.

Listen to the venom in her words closer to the end of the video. If you choose not to watch then it seems people condone outright bullying on these forums and I'll keep my opinions to myself. Bullying is what causes children to develop social problems and adults develop complexes and is a vile way to treat anyone. Whoever has a gameplan does not matter, it's how you conduct yourself in it that makes an impression.

Thank you.

The usual defense of Lisa's vileness is presented. Just read the response to your post. So shrill, bitter, and ultimately laughable. Hahaha!

Quite predictable, really. What is unpredictable is the depth of stupidity one is expected to be at to believe that crap defense of Lisa.

I mean, if the defense of Lisa is to be accepted, one must also accept that Freddie mocking Lisa is now equivalent to or is much worse than Lisa verbally intimidating Freddie while touching her finger to the side of his head. How ridiculous! In some countries, what Lisa did was borderline domestic violence!

Oh, but why bother with facts when Lisa is involved, right? If I worshipped Lisa, it would be much easier to explain her disgusting behaviour towards Freddie by conveniently avoiding watching the Channel 4 videos posted above and by making false equivalencies regarding the intensity of the arguments between Lisa and Freddie.

[jet]

Originally posted by bigmalky
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...168b3e/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a1a32f/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...75ad57/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a3b9af/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...8f052b/play.c4

Have a look and condone it all you like. It will never change your minds but try to picture yourself on the recieving end. I'm done with this thread if all you want to do is stick up for behaviour that tears down the moral fibres of this once great nation and causes depression in children and adults alike.

I've watched every video (I seen it all before anyway).

Lisa is NOT a bully - she is loud, and opinionated, and she doesn't let anyone walk all over her or single her out for doing things that other people do but get away with.

How many times did Halfwit pick on her in those vids - oh yes, in his sly, quiet way he starts things and he knows darn well that if he puts on his condescending voice and talks down to her she will fly off the handle. He's adept at playing the victim card to gain sympathy and votes, and Lisa was his chosen target because he had her sussed as someone with a big mouth and a temper. She played into his hands to an extent - but not all of us were taken in by him.
The truth is he is an irritating, patronizing little man who soon changed his ways when he was being nominated by most of the HM's week after week. Funny how as soon as HE changed and stopped picking on Lisa, she changed, and she hasn't had a spat with him since. Ummmm.....apart from the one where he accuses her of being a gameplanner AGAIN and mocks and taunts her......Ummmm

[philmurph]

Bigmalky is Dennissabre

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by bigmalky
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...168b3e/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a1a32f/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...75ad57/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a3b9af/play.c4

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...8f052b/play.c4

Have a look and condone it all you like. It will never change your minds but try to picture yourself on the recieving end. I'm done with this thread if all you want to do is stick up for behaviour that tears down the moral fibres of this once great nation and causes depression in children and adults alike.

To defend Lisa, one must IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE those darn videos!

[jet]

Originally posted by virtuoso88

To defend Lisa, one must IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE those darn videos!

I'm not ignoring them. They prove my point, as I wrote above.

[virtuoso88]

No they don't prove your point. It proves how ridiculous it is to defend Lisa.

[sheephater]

Originally posted by gothic_gangsta
i like her. i dont understand what she has done

what has she done????

: joker:

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by virtuoso88

The usual defense of Lisa's vileness is presented. Just read the response to your post. So shrill, bitter, and ultimately laughable. Hahaha!

Quite predictable, really. What is unpredictable is the depth of stupidity one is expected to be at to believe that cr*p defense of Lisa.

I mean, if the defense of Lisa is to be accepted, one must also accept that Freddie mocking Lisa is now equivalent to or is much worse than Lisa verbally intimidating Freddie while touching her finger to the side of his head. How ridiculous! In some countries, what Lisa did was borderline domestic violence!

Oh, but why bother with facts when Lisa is involved, right? If I worshipped Lisa, it would be much easier to explain her disgusting behaviour towards Freddie by conveniently avoiding watching the Channel 4 videos posted above and by making false equivalencies regarding the intensity of the arguments between Lisa and Freddie.

Thankfully, I'm not a Lisa buttlicker.

[jet]

Originally posted by virtuoso88
No they don't prove your point. It proves how ridiculous it is to defend Lisa.

We'll see.

[virtuoso88]

It's already too obvious.

[gothic_gangsta]

sorry i have seen the videos some of you guys have put up i still have to say all she is doing is defending herself.....and yes she is arguing but she is telling it straight to the point.....

i think its just the way she speaks which makes her sound a bit aggressive.......

i think what noirin did in the house is some think to be hated for not lisa

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by bigmalky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW3mgdqtGkM

This was after Lisa constantly told him to shut up every time he spoke even when he wasn't talking to her, influenced the nominations blatantly by writing initials and telling everyone that she couldn't stand Freddie.

This was a point when Freddie had pretty much done nothing to provoke anyone other than singing and talking rubbish. Be sure that I only slightly like him at this point but this is the way Lisa was with him all the time since she decided he was on her hitlist.

Listen to the venom in her words closer to the end of the video. If you choose not to watch then it seems people condone outright bullying on these forums and I'll keep my opinions to myself. Bullying is what causes children to develop social problems and adults develop complexes and is a vile way to treat anyone. Whoever has a gameplan does not matter, it's how you conduct yourself in it that makes an impression.

Thank you.

The thing is you don't know if Freddie has done nothing to provoke anyone. We only see a very tiny proportion of a 24 hour day.