[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2605866&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604723&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2604174&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604139&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.[/rquote]

Well I dont think changing the law is the answer, maybe education especially in more deprived areas, challenging social norms in some way...I dunno but changing the laws isnt going to change peoples behaviour[/rquote]

You need laws for places like that. I don't think education has reached a point where it has an effect in such places. The one thing they hate is authority and education is one of those symbols of authority they despise.[/rquote]

There is always going to be grey areas in law, in anything, its not a simple black and white world. You have to put the stick in the sand somewhere and I think its appropriate where it is. Nothing is going to stop people under 16 having sex, and having some draconian law against it isnt going to work...look at homosexuality as an example...did it stop people? No. It'll cause more problems than its worth...is it sensible for someone to have a criminal record that will affect the rest of their life, work prospects etc when all they did was have sex at 14 with someone of their own age? Besides which, maginalising certain groups in this way is only going to furthur their hatred and distrust of authority. It doesnt make sense to do that. We have to put our trust in the legal system and common sense to deal with the grey areas....gone off on a tangent but cant be arsed to start a new thread...[/rquote]

People not obeying laws is something I shout about a lot and as much as people talk about legalising and illegalising things, there will always be criminal activity to suppress delinquency so a productive social system can exist.

But even within that some laws, built around a welfare system, where they are rewarded for their behaviour as a citizen, it could be work or help or aid. Basically like education placements and such and encouraging this (it has actually worked with EMAs, stopping people getting pregnant) and encouraging this alongside punishments were not adhering to responsibility (be they parents or children) then there can be a switch over possible.

There have been far too many vote winning laws that have caused huge problems and not enough intelligent law making to create boundaries and benefits for people. I could blame labour who have been far too interested in staying in power than creating benefit. The Tax Credit scheme alongside the EMAs and also encouraging the limit of 18 to stay in school or training is a good thing - but more may need to be done.