[pixee]

I've never watched UFC.

1) Where is this guy in terms of UFC is he a "top fighter"?

2) His record didn't seem too good, is that a normal record for a UFC fighter?

3) Is he a good fighter full stop lol?

4) Can he really fight again in such a serious sport with all this press stuff?

Thanks

[30stone]

From what ive seen.

Hes not a good fighter..

but he knows what hes doing and trains hard, against just a normal person around his size, he would kick their ass..

[pixee]

Originally Posted by 30stone

From what ive seen.

Hes not a good fighter..

but he knows what hes doing and trains hard, against just a normal person around his size, he would kick their ass..

Yeah well like I said his record looked pretty average, a shame like if he is hard working and trains hard that he is putting that dedication to waste.

btw who is soring the goal in your sig?

[Iceman]

He's never been a mainstream fighter, he may get a few bigger publicised fights now though.....

[pixee]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

He's never been a mainstream fighter, he may get a few bigger publicised fights now though.....

Well from what he was saying they won't touch him now cause of his crossdressing ****** buddy antics, lost his sponsorship apparently.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by pixee

Well from what he was saying they won't touch him now cause of his crossdressing ****** buddy antics, lost his sponsorship apparently.

He said he doesn't want to fight but he's locked into contract.......

usually they would have to take part in 2-3 fights a year.....depending on what organisation he's in... Your right though, nobody will want to fight him now....

[InOne]

When Jordan gets bored of him, he will be pretty fucked really.

[30stone]

Originally Posted by pixee

Yeah well like I said his record looked pretty average, a shame like if he is hard working and trains hard that he is putting that dedication to waste.

btw who is soring the goal in your sig?

Well yeah but they all train hard and put in a lot of dedication only best of the best make it..He will get bigger things off the back of this, fitness dvd's etc would make him more money,

And its Zinedine Zidane when he was younger..

[Big_Kahuna]

He's not even in UFC , it's a lower organisation that he is in.

[Mark]

He's never been a part of UFC. He fights in smaller organisations, recently "Cage Rage", which is the UK's own version of UFC, I guess you could call it. There's no real big named fighters in it, but if fighters do well in Cage Rage, they often work their way up to UFC.

I've seen about 8 of his fights, and he's not that impressive on the grand scale of things. He's a fairly bland fighter, he prefers to keep the fight standing (which is where he usually gets knocked out .) Earlier on in his career in fights I haven't seen he has a few wins via submission, so his Brazillian Ju Jitsu must exist, but against bad opponets it's hard to tell if it's a high level.

His record (8-8-1) is pretty bad, especially considering he's lost his last 6 fights in a row. He's fought nobody who is a stand out in the sport. His best opponent is a guy that 'graduated' into UFC, but then got released because he wasn't doing well. I'm fairly confident he wouldn't beat any UFC fighter at the moment at middleweight class.

He definitely doesn't earn much from fighting from the promotions due to his bad record and not being very good. He probably earns a lot from sponsorships, and companies plastering his shorts with logos when he fights. Cage Rage would probably have got rid of him if he wasn't in the public eye like he is.

He can, and more than likely will fight again once leaving the house. With all the press attention and the Jordan stuff, it means he probably can't focus much. I imagine Cage Rage will just give him someone not very good to beat up for his next fight, as they need the ratings right now. If he wants to be a top class fighter, these fighters are putting in training camps 4-5 months before a fight, training hardcore every day and making sure diet and cardio is as perfect as it can be. Fighters are more like professional athletes nowadays at the higher levels. With his lifestlye, he probably couldn't do this and I guess he takes his fights with quite short notice. He probably fights because he loves the sport and the competition, not because he thinks he's any good

[Big_Kahuna]

I heard he tried out for the Ultimate Fighter (reality UFC show) but got beat in the qualifier.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Big_Kahuna

I heard he tried out for the Ultimate Fighter (reality UFC show) but got beat in the qualifier.

Oh yeah I forgot about that fight actually. I have it on my PC somewhere, I might try and find it . From what I remember, Alex got his opponent (Dean Ammasinger) in a Triangle Choke (http://maxcondition.com/images/005_5_00.jpg), a move which probably 90%+ of the time is enough to force an opponent into submission, but somehow Alex didn't lock his legs tight enough so Dean escaped. If Alex had just locked in that submission, he would have made the Ultimate Fighter show, and be a recognised name across US mainstream tv and more so in the UK too. It would have been a huge turning point for his career.

[ElProximo]

Pretty much the moment you here he is a UFC (or MMA or whatever they call this stuff) then you know he is not a real fighter.
It's guys who fight like children in a schoolyard ugh.

[Iceman]

Bit of news on Brock Lesnar in the Sport section.....

[Big_Kahuna]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Pretty much the moment you here he is a UFC (or MMA or whatever they call this stuff) then you know he is not a real fighter.
It's guys who fight like children in a schoolyard ugh.

Rubbish! It's very skillful sport, I suppose to the outsider it looks brutal, but there is a lot involved.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Big_Kahuna

Rubbish! It's very skillful sport, I suppose to the outsider it looks brutal, but there is a lot involved.

No.
To insiders who know about fighting sports it looks amateurish and depends little on skills and more on fluke and size and mostly on 'happenstance'.
To insiders and experts it looks this way.

To young men who love action movies and are experts in video game fighting it looks 'skillful' and worth watching.

[Big_Kahuna]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No.
To insiders who know about fighting sports it looks amateurish and depends little on skills and more on fluke and size and mostly on 'happenstance'.
To insiders and experts it looks this way.

To young men who love action movies and are experts in video game fighting it looks 'skillful' and worth watching.

Rubbish, so Brazilian ju jitsu, Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Tahi is amateur??? Our survey says.....................

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Big_Kahuna

Rubbish, so Brazilian ju jitsu, Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Tahi is amateur??? Our survey says.....................

Those are real sports. (most).

Putting them all together into a 'free for all' ends up with 'happenstance' results that are far less to do with skill and far more to do with who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and,
lately all I see is 'whoever can box more like an actual boxer' wins.

But hey.. if you want to watch grown men fight like schoolyard children then enjoy.

[HellShark]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No.
To insiders who know about fighting sports it looks amateurish and depends little on skills and more on fluke and size and mostly on 'happenstance'.
To insiders and experts it looks this way.

To young men who love action movies and are experts in video game fighting it looks 'skillful' and worth watching.

What insiders and experts think this? Are you either?

[Big_Kahuna]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Those are real sports. (most).

Putting them all together into a 'free for all' ends up with 'happenstance' results that are far less to do with skill and far more to do with who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and,
lately all I see is 'whoever can box more like an actual boxer' wins.

But hey.. if you want to watch grown men fight like schoolyard children then enjoy.

haha when I was a schoolyard child, I used to headbutt and bite people. Clearly not the same.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by HellShark

What insiders and experts think this? Are you either?

Yes, I am a senior boxing analyst in media, forming sparring partner to a national champion,
and,
Luche Libre champion 'El Proximo Loco'.

MMA does NOT look good from that perspective.
But,
Its great violence and easy to watch I suppose. Its like cartoons in that sense.

[Big_Kahuna]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Yes, I am a senior boxing analyst in media, forming sparring partner to a national champion,
and,
Luche Libre champion 'El Proximo Loco'

I love the internet

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Big_Kahuna

I love the internet

So do I.
It allows people like you to doubt experts because there will never be any way to prove it out or answer for it.

<-- also allows me to put these silly smileys on posts.
Bananas FTW!

[squallsquall]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Yes, I am a senior boxing analyst in media, forming sparring partner to a national champion,
and,
Luche Libre champion 'El Proximo Loco'.

MMA does NOT look good from that perspective.
But,
Its great violence and easy to watch I suppose. Its like cartoons in that sense.

MAYBE, just maybe, the reason you don't like MMA is that, well, you're a boxer at heart? You think boxing is classy, while MMA reminds you of your old schoolyard. Therefore you're unable to take it seriously, or judge it fairly. You just despise it from the start.

Your inability to view this unbiased also shines through in your statement that the best boxer always seems to win. Pretty embarrassing really, and makes me wonder how much MMA you've really seen (highlights do not count).

Also, please explain why merging several disciplines makes it random. It's like saying BJJ would be more skill dependent if you split it into different disciplines each for chokes, arm locks, and so on...

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by squallsquall

Also, please explain why merging several disciplines makes it random. It's like saying BJJ would be more skill dependent if you split it into different disciplines each for chokes, arm locks, and so on...

It is self-evident,
but,
to explain it I might say that Archery is a very cool and accurate shooting sport.
Rifle marksman require great skills too.. its impressive.
Cannon fire is really great and actually quite a skill.
Spear throwing is 'real ballistics' or maybe good olden days rock throwing. That is essentially 'real shooting' in its basic form,
and,
Target shooting with pistols is quite the art.

So...
...Why wouldnt it be the 'Ultimate Ballistics Championship' if we loaded ALL those into a giant gun and shot at each other???
Huh?
Tell me.. why wouldn't that make it all the more skilled when you combine ALL the skills together?

Years ago I correctly predicted it will be next to impossible to maintain any sort of ongoing consistent champions.
YES... you get 10 guys who will be faster, stronger and bigger and float to the top,
but,
They will, eventually, all end up defeating one and other in what 'would be' (given enough fights) just 50-50,
and,
Champions will change ever other fight.

Well that happens.
Why?
Because the results are basically down to 'happenstance' (assuming both guy are basically equally athletic).

I just try not to make a face whenever someone 'wows' because the champ got knocked out cold in one shot,
then,
the next time another guy one-punched that champ,
who,
was 'one-punched' in the next championship.
EXACTLY!
EXACTLY RIGHT!

But you know who MIGHT consistently win?
The gigantic super-muscled wrestler Brock Lesnar guy.
This proves out my point though. It shows you that all you really need is to be much larger and stronger and more powerful and not much else will matter.

The reason I like boxing is not because I just 'picked a team to defend' but because it earns it.
It requires finer skills yes but more importantly is that it has REMOVED as many of the things that lead to 'happenstance' wins as possible.
'Lucky punches' can happen yes... but they have removed as many opportunities as possible.
So that actually separates out the 'better man' for good reasons and over time it actually means something that Mayweather is xx wins and zero losses and is the champ.

In this UFC... take their top 10 in a division and have them fight 100 times and they ALL end up with 50-50 records.
because its mostly 'happenstance'.

besides that - what do I see in the 'Top 100 UFC moments'?
- The segments where they 'boxed' for minutes at a time.
Ok.
Well compare that top UFC 'action minute' and you have what?
Crappy boxing.
At best 'good amateur boxing'.

So why wouldn't I just watch boxing!