[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

Wow! Talk about "Christian lite" of the modern (almost inclusive) al le carte variety. Let's ignore the misogamy, the "offence" of blasphemy, the homophobia, the condoning of slavery - and the constant damning of those who disbelieve that persists within scripture.

Hardly "Loving your neighbour" - which, within traditional Christianity, didn't extend to those outside the Christian fold.

yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..

Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

slavery in the first century is not the slavery that you are mistakenly getting your knickers in a twist about. Go and google slavery in Christian times.

A women discovered Jesus missing in his tomb. Women play a vital role in the early Church in Acts and throughout the NT - unheard of in these times and for the next 1900 years.

if you wish to make accusations about the Bible use examples from the Bible and not abstract comments. All your accusations are the same old ones that anyone can read on the "skeptic" websites, usually created by single guys, with too much facial hair in their basements in the US.

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

slavery in the first century is not the slavery that you are mistakenly getting your knickers in a twist about.

LT, who said slavery in the first century was the same as slavery in later centuries [when Christians ruled the roost]? - I certainly made no such claim. Nor did I get my knickers in a twist by confusing the two. Of course, slavery was slightly different in earlier times; Pagans, including those of the early Roman Empire, often gave their slaves a few more privileges - including chances of bettering their situation and purchasing their freedom. Of course, there were also the Stoic philosophers[pre-christian] who outright condemned slavery as immoral. But then Christianity came along and most of the privileges - and condemnation of slavery - become lost. Increasingly, slaves had fewer rights while under Christian rule. They were forced to accept their lot in life with humility (Ephesians 6:5-8) and please their masters in everything (Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9,) - even if those masters treat them harshly (1 Peter 2:18). A result of the Christian attitude towards slavery soon made the Church the largest slave owners in the Roman Empire. As time went by, Christians[with the exception of Quakers] increasingly found more reasons to enslave others - a trend that continued through to the abolitionist movements(where Quakers, non-believers - and heretical Christians) fought for change.

LT, I could go into much greater depth for you - and discuss biblical and traditional Christian attitudes towards women. But you obviously aren't capable of serious, intellectual discussion. So I wont waste any further time with you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

LT, who said slavery in the first century was the same as slavery in later centuries [when Christians ruled the roost]? - I certainly made no such claim. Nor did I get my knickers in a twist by confusing the two. Of course, slavery was slightly different in earlier times; Pagans, including those of the early Roman Empire, often gave their slaves a few more privileges - including chances of bettering their situation and purchasing their freedom. Of course, there were also the Stoic philosophers[pre-christian] who outright condemned slavery as immoral. But then Christianity came along and most of the privileges - and condemnation of slavery - become lost. Increasingly, slaves had fewer rights while under Christian rule. They were forced to accept their lot in life with humility (Ephesians 6:5-8) and please their masters in everything (Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9,) - even if those masters treat them harshly (1 Peter 2:18). A result of the Christian attitude towards slavery soon made the Church the largest slave owners in the Roman Empire. As time went by, Christians[with the exception of Quakers] increasingly found more reasons to enslave others - a trend that continued through to the abolitionist movements(where Quakers, non-believers - and heretical Christians) fought for change.

LT, I could go into much greater depth for you - and discuss biblical and traditional Christian attitudes towards women. But you obviously aren't capable of serious, intellectual discussion. So I wont waste any further time with you.

yes, in other words you were talking crap and your finishing line is a standard forum bailout.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is slavery permitted in the Bible?

Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly.

* The Bible acknowledged the slave's status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46).
* The Bible restricted the master's power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
* The slave was a member of the master's household (Lev. 22:11).
* The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14).
* The slave was required to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
* The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
* The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
* When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14).

The reality of slavery cannot be denied. "Slave labour played a minor economic role in the ancient Near East, for privately-owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labour force."


http://www.carm.org/questions/skepti...ermitted-bible

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes, in other words you were talking crap and your finishing line is a standard forum bailout.

Certainly not. Your responses lack depth: you don't discuss what's actually being said - the above quote being an example. Really, it shows - keeping in mind your appeal to google earlier - that you have very little understanding of history. This, along with your almost belligerent attitude, shows you aren't capable of mature, intellectual discussion. So I'm not going to waste my time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

Certainly not. Your responses lack depth: you don't discuss what's actually being said - the above quote being an example. Really, it shows - keeping in mind your appeal to google earlier - that you have very little understanding of history. This, along with your almost belligerent attitude, shows you aren't capable of mature, intellectual discussion. So I'm not going to waste my time.

I wish you every success in your future employment and of course will be in touch if any vacancies arise here in the future.

yours sincerely

LT